Ekselent

Blown and Thericker.

Can you post your dyno charts and info about your best 1/4 time/ speed?
I think it's fair play.. and I think for them also which follows this thread.
This goes so one-sided way....
Im very interested to look at them.... and many others also wants that to.

WE WANT FAIR PLAY....

Ekselent

Hahhahh ..... .... hahhhaahh... Thericker do not anymore... please..I get stomach ulcers with you..
It took a long time for you to answer ...hahhaaah... you saved my day..:lady sman:
This is
I dread to even answer....

F1BHP

If the weather is good and my car is working I will be at Santa Pod in England on the 12th September so I will post my first 1/4 slip. I am not expect much as it will be my first time. Any advice?

I am a circuit racing guy and have no idea of the best way to do the 1/4 mile, other than what I have read. I will be at the Silverstone GP circuit on the 28th of September and VMAX200 on the 26th. Check out some of the VMAX HYPERMAX videos, some serious kit will be there, my car will be one of the slowest. I will try to post some vids of the events.

Ekselent

That sounds good

I did not have many runs but with the BMW X6M it was easy from the line...
My biggest problem (with the SL) was and is the grip.... So if you get a good grip so be sure to go well.
It creates challenges and take your nerves.
I have come to the conclusion that (I) need to prepare for that by trying what a way to go is the best ... depends entirely on the grip.
With the X6M the best way was when I hold the brake and raised the rpm to 3000 so you have small boost there...... and let it go.. If and when I have new softer tires, and with it brought better grip I'm gone try start from the line same way.
Its totally different car..... and Its faster than my SL600 for now.

BTW..... I use the Dash Comand app what can I follow the IAT in real time. You need also the WiFi ELM 327 OBD tool. 9 USD+ Wifi 20-30 USD. You can also follow the ignition timing and boost in real time.
Check the fault codes also and to remove them.

Im gone wait with my tire and wheel order until you have your experience regading the tires setup.
You run 19"???? I have think to use 18?t

Good luck

F1BHP

At the moment I am using 20" wheels as that is my only option with my 405mm front brakes. I could use 19" wheels on the back as they are 380mm. I don't think I am going to be a 1/4 mile junky so I will probably run with my regular setup. I am also running 305mm wide front tires which will be counter productive for the 1/4 mile.

What I am going to try is some 325/30r20 on the back which is 6-7% over the stock diameter, this will have a little more sidewall however it will also take more torque to get them going. It sounds like traction is more of an issue than power getting off the line so maybe the extra diameter will not matter. The black series cars used the same size tire on the back so maybe it is the way to go. So I will run pilot sport cup 2's with 325/30r20 on the rear and 305/30r20 in the front, it is really a circuit track setup because I will be doing much more circuit track racing than 1/4 mile.

For the 1 1/2 mile runway day I will just pump the tires up to 50psi with nitrogen and keep my foot down until hopefully I hit 200mph.

Ekselent

I have seen pretty much in my life but this is the first time I have meet/ seen so childish behavior lords....

They are afraid of just the Hell....
Everybody can see how they behave ... normal peoples give information but they do not ...

Full players and cowards and loosers ...
Became even this is now perceived

Have a nice day both of you with your secrets...hahhaaa .....

Ekselent

Okay.....
For me, the traction is biggest problem! (empty even to try again ).... we have a track day here in the weekend but I can't be there because the traction problems. I'm gone be there with my X6M.(I hope I would also seen an Range and kill it... for sure).



This is an Diesel X5.... ( "tho if the diesel BMW did this, the X5M would rape and *** over the rover"). : )

Bye Bye Bye Range...

Our 1/4 tracks is at airports and therefore the tires is the biggest problem.
Of course we have even correct tracks with the right standards but they are so far away from my home.
I must start all over again and order the right wheel setup..... When I have the grip Im gone concentrate on driving and power scores... ....
Currently, there is no matter whether I have 400 or 600 hp...
I love challenges.....

cm60k

This is the MAIN point which i fully agreeeeee with..

ZAYED,,

Ekselent

Thank you....

Tomorrow Dyno Dynamic low read dyno....
I am now better prepared for the last time and I've improved a few things.

I have also think Im gone buy a Kleeman tune and test it also.

I have find out that Thericker have also an ice tank reservoir....
but I don't now which dyno he have use at 633 rwhp / 840 lbft. I think Dynojet... high read dyno.
Dyno Dynamic read around 7-10% less power than Dynojet....

I found also this thread where the same gentleman jump on this dyno info...

https://mbworld.org/forums/s55-amg-s...o-numbers.html

he love to do this......hell, low self-esteem...

Ekselent

+ ice reservoir tank.

BlownV8

It's really difficult to compare different types of dynos and say x dyno reads higher than y dyno. For example, this person said the dyno dynamics read higher than the dynojet. themustangsource.com/.../dynojet-vs-dyno-dynamics-408267

You really need to use it as a tuning tool - nothing more. Another thing, make sure they use an optical eye and take the rpm reading off the crank pulley so you can get a torque reading. Remember, hp and torque should intersect at 5252 rpm.

Ekselent

Hello members.: ;

I have been at a Dyno Dynamics dyno with my car.. : )
- gear box is not slipping. : )
- engine power 533,7 Kw . 725 hp at about 5200 rpm
- torgue 1170 Nm

As I have mention several times earlier the power is there!!!!! : ).
And it was.... : ).
Thank you to al of you who have belive me al the time.
And for those who not....
" sorry guys, sorry guys" have a nice day and sleep well.. : )

Now I have a new problem ... The engine run to lean at full bost.... So new injectors then I get even more power.... : ).

(Low read Dyno Dynamics)
Have a nice day...I have a long trip bak at home... 550 miles.. : )

F1BHP

Post the proper dyno sheet. 725BHP is nice, just under 600WHP.

You are right at the limit for the 600's injectors. I went ahead and replaced with the SL65 injectors which apparently are good up to 850-900BHP which I will not see so I am safe.

Ekselent

I must look at the fuel pump also... Its old...
I have learn a lot of new things today...
The Torgue was little lower than last time but Im sure its bak after its get more fuel.
I measured the pump pressure and injectors with a osciloscope to find out if they are full open at full load and they was.... Its run to lean now at full load.
Im happy with the results now....

F1BHP

Hey post up the full dyno sheet so we can have a look

BlownV8

That's a good run. Post the entire chart.

Ekselent

I'm back.....

Here is a prof I have been there ... First dyno run...
I have the world record with stock turbos for sure now...
The record is in Finland.... "wonder land"....
Only thing I can tell you now is...

- The dyno chart its nearly perfect... ( you can see small things at the line - At full boost its run to lean.... so there is more power in ...
- The boost line is perfect also
- Have a A/F ratio line to.
- We made three runs.... 1. run 533,7 Kw. 2.run 532,7 Kw and the third 525,7 Kw.( The engine was hot at third run). So the grip was there al the time.

- 1170 Nm of torque
- Torque and hp line cross every time at 190 KPH... not rpm
- AMG 65 TCU tune. Gear Mode M. 4 gear locked.
- Dyno Mode was on. ( I turned it on this way.. - 4 gear was used in all three runs and no problems at all....

So for those who have
- Modify the turbo shaft
- Rear Ice reservoir tank
- Better CAI and so on
- + more small secrets

"Im very sorry if I have ruined your day"

Dyno Dynamic read lower than Dyno jet. I can prof that also
A tuning Newspaper have test 3 Dynos with a Toyota Supra 3 L turbo engine ( at same day) so we don't need to discuss about it here..... The last run was at Dyno Dynamic where the engine explode at second run.
So my opinion is you can at least put 7%-12% more at my numbers if you want.

("Although, there are a few factors that would cause a variance in the % difference, this particular example shows that the Dyno Dynamics dyno reads ~12% lower in peak power than the Dynojet dyno. It's not called the 'Heart Breaker' dyno for nothing" )

I don't like this situation at al... I must show everything to prof and those who complain all the time does not show their owns....
I hope you understand me....

PS. One thing more.... everything I have said here regarding the power level al the time have been truth..... and now I have the prof for my self.....and that's enough for me. Next 1/4 mile run.... with "better tires"because the power IS THERE...

Best regards
Juha

I remember this.... : )

You are soooooo lost it's beyond reason But here goes, now listen slowly try & digest this important fact... When transitioning from one speed to another, gear changes are required. This creates "Torque Spikes" when the shifts occur. At anything other than a direct 1:1 ratio in the transmission, the engine torque (power) is being multiplied, also depending on the dyno operators choice of how/when to go full throttle can otherwise manipulate/multiply your torque readings showing huge padded FALSE #'s Google Torque Spikes" Being your 1st trip to a real Dyno try & realize you know utterly jack sh-it

You're flat out dreaming you actually made anything close to 900 wtq 585 whp shows this is indeed a Torque Spike + as BlownV8, mentioned your graph doesn't add up as it should cross @ 5252 rpm's etc etc w/your mods you will be lucky to see 700 wtq.. But what do I know Hmm you ran 12.67 @ 117 mph yeah you def DON'T HAVE anything close to 900 wtq.. HP is just a calculation of TQ/power & you def aren't making any new Records
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F1BHP

Ekselent I hope for nothing but good things for you and I am glad you got the results you wanted.

Why will you not show the Dyno chart?

Ekselent

I discuss with the tuner after the dyno runs and his opinion was If I want more power I should buy bigger injectors and map the tune for 85E. 85% alcohol.
E85 Oct is 104.
His opinion was the power is gone rise with 70-100 hp.??
So its the cheapest way to do it with same turbos... so you can expect + 800 hp after that.

So what is your opinions? What is the bad things if I decide to do it?
We have a lot of E85 pumps everywhere and its is much cheaper also than 95 or 98.

F1BHP

I think it takes a little more work to use E85 other than the tune.

BlownV8

Yes, lots more. There are positives and some negatives. I thought this was good information. http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73061

If you want more power and you or somone you know is a good fabricator, make some turbo manifolds and run larger turbos. That will give you the power you want.

Thericker

533 kw = 714 BHP= 585 whp.. Still looking for the RWTQ or full dynosheet

euphoriaDSM

Never understood why guys boast a hp number rather than a whp. It's only on this forum that I see it too.

Ekselent

Thank you for the link.... very interesting reading material.

Ekselent

The Tuner measure it this way and print it out this way....
For me, this is pretty much goes like this.
He also calculate 1 Kw is 1,36 hp. We use this factors here.

I now what I have now and that is enough for me and I'm happy....
More than happy....

Low read dyno..... Its run also to lean....so there is still little power available...