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I can’t believe the world we live in now. A person across the Atlantic can code my car online via my laptop.
On a clear night look up at the moon. Isn't it remarkable that men have traveled to the moon and returned safely? And this was done with technology more than fifty years old. With that perspective someone working on software from another part of the world probably doesn't seem so remarkable. And it isn't. Many of the Chinese vendors do the same thing via an application called Teamviewer.
Pmercury, Launch, iCarsoft, Foxwell, Autel, and others all would merit a mention in this thread if Milazzo's goal was to create a survey of available options for diagnosing an R230. But that was not his objective. He stated that he wants the best option and didn't want to spend a lot of money. Those criteria eliminate pmercury from this discussion.
I have iCarsoft, and for what it costs it provides very good value. But it's diagnostic can do only a fraction of what Star Diagnosis is capable of, and it doesn't have the Mercedes WIS, parts catalog, or electrical schematics which come with Star Diagnosis. And so a Chinese-sourced Star Diagnosis system best meets the criteria stated by Milazzo.
Not sure how or when PMercury broke your heart but he is my man. Just today he worked on a complicated issue with my CL and I could not be happier with the result. There may be others out there but he is mine. Good luck with your guy I’m sure he is amazing. We are all blessed with good fortune having the privilege to drive amazing vehicles, and have a remote tech to be able to repair them when the inevitable repair comes.
It fundamentally comes down to this: Someone who declares that Chinese software is "crap" is either ignorant or a liar and should not be advising this forum about purchasing software.
Originally Posted by HopefullyE63
...so I guess we are all deluded.
I gave you no cause to be so defensive. In addressing you I simply illustrated the point that you should not be dazzled by the technology which allows someone to assist you remotely. Since 2001 Remote Desktop has been a part of Microsoft Windows and allows a user to easily take control of a computer from afar. Now many Chinese sellers of Star Diagnosis use free Teamviewer software to aid their customers with setting up systems they have purchased. .
Last edited by bobterry99; 12-15-2019 at 05:37 PM.
I must confess that I have enjoyed this thread as it has provided some insight into SDS and PMercury's offerings (and iCarsoft as well).
@bobterry99 I truly appreciated your advice some time ago on Chinese SDS systems, especially considering that you had no financial interest in what I bought. I have no regrets in the route I went (Chinese C3, Dell630) and the learning experience that came with it. The system I have will more than meet ALL of my needs. I think your advice is spot on for someone wanting to do it themselves in the $350 range.
@pmercury While I haven't used your services/software, it is clear that you are very capable and would be a valuable service to those having issues or not wanting to use the typical "clone" offerings. While your services/software may cost more, the references by those who have used your services speak volumes to your value.
As to which system/option is best, I really think this comes down to cost of ownership (not only monetary, but also time spent to set up, learning curve, support, individual ability/confidence, etc.), and I believe that is a personal preference and different for each of us.
While I have found the snarky back and forth and name calling comical (broken hearts, "Chinese crap", Alzheimer, "characteristics of the modern psychopath", "ignorant or a liar", "Pathological Lying and Manipulation", Monty Pythons Black Knight, "Mythomaniac full of hate", "IT...the clown who keeps coming back..."), at some point this really doesn't add to the discussion, aside from being amusing at times (when I typed "Mythomaniac", it auto corrected to nymphomaniac...).
I am certainly not trying to get in the middle of this or bait some flaming response , just trying to say thanks for the info (from both sides), and try to keep it constructive.
@Milazzo I hoe your original question was answered. You have a spectrum of options from iCarsoft, to Chinese clone C3/C4, to PMercury. Good luck and let us know what you chose!
...you ignored SOLID EVIDENCE above where you lost, then ignore responses....
If have no idea what you are babbling on about here...Solid evidence of what? And I lost? I was not aware there was a competition. Was there a cash prize to win?
I have two formidable challenges for you.
1: When member marianno3000 tries to operate his roof, he gets a message in the instrument cluster that the vehicle is in motion though it is in fact stationary. Looking at the RVC module, the status for the vehicle being below 5 KPH is false, and yet the vehicle speed is 0 KPH. The ESP controller shows all four wheels are not turning.
Your challenge is to imagine this is HopefullyE63's car and explain how these speed statuses could possibly be in conflict and how you would troubleshoot. The thread is here.
2. Cite one or more examples where I have lied in this thread. Give the post number and quote the offending statement.
Note that the definition of a lie is to state something which is known by the speaker to be false. So if I suggested you are not very intelligent and you in fact are a member of Mensa, then my false statement would not be a lie because I genuinely believe you are not very bright. .
Last edited by bobterry99; 12-16-2019 at 05:14 PM.
I must confess that I have enjoyed this thread as it has provided some insight into SDS and PMercury's offerings (and iCarsoft as well).
@bobterry99 I truly appreciated your advice some time ago on Chinese SDS systems, especially considering that you had no financial interest in what I bought. I have no regrets in the route I went (Chinese C3, Dell630) and the learning experience that came with it. The system I have will more than meet ALL of my needs. I think your advice is spot on for someone wanting to do it themselves in the $350 range.
@pmercury While I haven't used your services/software, it is clear that you are very capable and would be a valuable service to those having issues or not wanting to use the typical "clone" offerings. While your services/software may cost more, the references by those who have used your services speak volumes to your value.
As to which system/option is best, I really think this comes down to cost of ownership (not only monetary, but also time spent to set up, learning curve, support, individual ability/confidence, etc.), and I believe that is a personal preference and different for each of us.
While I have found the snarky back and forth and name calling comical (broken hearts, "Chinese crap", Alzheimer, "characteristics of the modern psychopath", "ignorant or a liar", "Pathological Lying and Manipulation", Monty Pythons Black Knight, "Mythomaniac full of hate", "IT...the clown who keeps coming back..."), at some point this really doesn't add to the discussion, aside from being amusing at times (when I typed "Mythomaniac", it auto corrected to nymphomaniac...).
I am certainly not trying to get in the middle of this or bait some flaming response , just trying to say thanks for the info (from both sides), and try to keep it constructive.
@Milazzo I hoe your original question was answered. You have a spectrum of options from iCarsoft, to Chinese clone C3/C4, to PMercury. Good luck and let us know what you chose!
{Sorry for all the emojis, couldn't help myself.}
Merry Christmas
Lee
Lee, You are right, I agree with your point of view
A choice for every budget, same when you buy a car Compare here
I have no regrets in the route I went (Chinese C3, Dell630) and the learning experience that came with it. The system I have will more than meet ALL of my needs. I think your advice is spot on for someone wanting to do it themselves in the $350 range.
What would you say to someone who told you your system is "crap"?
Originally Posted by pmercury
You are right, I agree
You have just agreed implicitly that my advice to budget-minded shoppers to buy Chinese is "spot on". This has been the crux of our debate all this time. Now that we are finally in accord can you let this rest?
Have you got anything to contribute toward solving the roof problem mentioned in my prior post? .
Last edited by bobterry99; 12-16-2019 at 07:43 PM.
The Tech Help forum a peachparts.com once had no fewer than four M-B techs contributing on a regular basis. Now I know of just one (ILUVMILS) who is there.
I have some ideas about marianno's problem, but I am waiting for him to respond to a question put to him.
I purchased a 2003 SL 500 with numerous issues (leaking hydraulic fluid, vario roof does not work, ABC not functioning etc). I purchased a STAR system from Aliexpress, befor finding this forum. I installed the hard drive in a Dell D60. It came with a C3 multiplexer and various cables. When I try to launch Xentry, it asks for an authorization code. Is this something you can help me with?
Another person got ripped of by Ching & Chong Inc.
This guy as many others before send me once again the same old story, so as you proposed Chinese software remote help, contact him @bobterry99 said "Now many Chinese sellers of Star Diagnosis use free Teamviewer software to aid their customers with setting up systems they have purchased."
I get tons of messages like this so I now point them here
Chinese sell and run
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When I try to launch Xentry, it asks for an authorization code.
Your dishonesty is breathtaking.
You know damn well that this user simply needs to generate a software key. "Keygens" are often included with the Chinese software, and in other cases the seller generates the key for their customer. I sincerely doubt any customer is left completely to their own devices.
Multiple times in this thread you have rhapsodized about the benefit of "Special Functions" and how the Chinese do not support these. You have cited this as a reason why someone should buy your expensive software. And yet you know that a keygen to enable Special Functions with Chinese software can be downloaded for free at *******.com. If you cared as much about the members of MBWorld as much as you care about making coin, you would have shared this information. But instead you choose to profit off of us.
I did a search on *******.com for "special functions keygen". I quickly identified four free keygen/password generators to enable Special Functions. One is from pmercury himself and seems to be based upon the work of others. I've attached a screenshot of his password calculator, and as can be plainly seen it is fatally flawed.
I also discovered a post from pmercury which he calls "All my stuff list". On *******.com he gives away for free much of what he sells for cash here on MBWorld.
The list includes the aforementioned Special Functions password calculator, the Mercedes Workshop Information System (WIS), the Mercedes Electronic Parts Catalog (EPC), and the October 2008 release of the DAS diagnostic software component of Star Diagnosis. Choosing an item with a mouse click downloads a text file containing instructions for downloading the selection for free.
Last edited by bobterry99; 12-19-2019 at 03:39 PM.
wow, you should be inspector, took you 4 month to finally discover that I am actually a programmer and that paysites (not free) exist where you get fragments of a real install, and that I share things and help hundreds of people for free every day
thank you for linking
for those who want a real rocksolid 100% full install with support
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merry christmas !
Hello everyone. After reading this whole topic I have a question. The forums are not there to help each other? If someone knows about mechanics and someone has a doubt about how to disassemble the bumper I have not read anyone who says: I can tell you how to remove the bumper, call me on the phone and tell you the instructions but it will cost you a price that You have to pay me. I have always thought that the forums are to share and help each other but from what I have read, in this forum there are people who charge to help the forum partners:pared:
Hello everyone. After reading this whole topic I have a question. The forums are not there to help each other? If someone knows about mechanics and someone has a doubt about how to disassemble the bumper I have not read anyone who says: I can tell you how to remove the bumper, call me on the phone and tell you the instructions but it will cost you a price that You have to pay me. I have always thought that the forums are to share and help each other but from what I have read, in this forum there are people who charge to help the forum partners:pared:
It is just that if I would spend 5-7 hours of installing and programming software for free on everyone, my life wouldn't be long enough.
you can imagine that ? yes ?
- Help programming and diagnostic for free YES
- Fixing cheap fake full Chinese clone software NO ( simply because once that crap locks it is void forever and unrepairable ( I tried ))
- Spending 5-7 hours installing software (the only way to get a 100% rocksolid 100% full (including offline and SCN off/online, lasting in time install) for free NO
for those who want a real rocksolid 100% full install with support
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A choice for every budget, same when you buy a car Compare here
Nevermind that nonsense. How about just giving MBWorld the same free access to the EPC, WIS, and password generation that you provide to *******.com?
Originally Posted by pmercury
thank you for linking
How did it not occur to you to share the link yourself? Given your conceit modesty could never stop you.
No, you obviously didn't want that link shared. And if you think anyone is foolish enough to believe you did, then you are laughably naive. To wit, just after you read my post you withdrew free access to the EPC and WIS.
Nevermind that nonsense. How about just giving MBWorld the same free access to the EPC, WIS, and password generation that you provide to *******.com?
How did it not occur to you to share the link yourself? Given your conceit modesty could never stop you.
No, you obviously didn't want that link shared. And if you think anyone is foolish enough to believe you did, then you are laughably naive. To wit, just after you read my post you withdrew free access to the EPC and WIS.
Hmmn...
you are so dumb... thx again, just unbelievable
Many people I installed for are up there in the thread, feel free to ask them how long the installation takes and their experience with me
it's a full 5 stars, 100% more then happy
for those who want a real rocksolid 100% full install with support
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A choice for every budget, same when you buy a car Compare here
pmercury, you should be careful. It is not appropriate for you to advertise your for-hire services here unless you are a paid forum sponsor. MBWORLD is very forgiving and Glynn seems to let some of the more entertaining banter go on for a bit. On "that other Benz forum", you'd have been banned by now for violating rules (selling services without being a sponsor).
BTW, you may notice from my signature line that I own a company that offers MBZ service. I do not advertise that and do not offer for-pay services to forum members. On the contrary, i have had many forum members come visit me and I have helped them FOR FREE, friend to friend.
pmercury, you should be careful. It is not appropriate for you to advertise your for-hire services here unless you are a paid forum sponsor. MBWORLD is very forgiving and Glynn seems to let some of the more entertaining banter go on for a bit. On "that other Benz forum", you'd have been banned by now for violating rules (selling services without being a sponsor).
BTW, you may notice from my signature line that I own a company that offers MBZ service. I do not advertise that and do not offer for-pay services to forum members. On the contrary, i have had many forum members come visit me and I have helped them FOR FREE, friend to friend.
Dear Rodney T,
(selling services without being a sponsor). = must be a misunderstanding, this forum is only about love, helping people for free, friend to friend
look at all my threads, all the people who PM'd me I have helped coding and programming, finding parts
happy to see that your link links to http://benzbits.com/web/index.html that the phone-number is registered on a personal home. is this a company paying taxes or not ?
I didn't understand that that was all free services, if so, I recommend the whole USA to drive to Chadwick Pl, Helena, AL for all those free services. or is it not free ?
oh no it's maybe not, I see "We use the same tools available to dealers and high-end shops, but without the high-end prices."
should it be corrected to "We use the same tools available to dealers and high-end shops, but without the high-end prices because we don't pay a licence to MB for the software"
Very confusing , do you pay for advertising on MBworld then ?
That site links to http://integrice.com/web/index.html is that free service too ?
Or is it disturbing to you that someone helps people getting well-equipped and remotely diagnostic and might take away business from your pay-services. All this is so confusing....... nay ?
or are you are talking about people posting links to piracy ? Yes they should get banned immediately or didn't you mean that ?
never mentioned a link ever, never been banned anywhere, only happy people and helped hundreds I don't advertise, I show comparison chart
Pmercury does not own an R230 and is in this forum for the sole purpose of soliciting business for his services. He is violating MBWorld's terms of use with his signature and the content of his posts:
"...advertising on MBWorld.org will only be permitted by officially recognized site sponsors and advertisers. Advertising includes, but is not limited to, direct and indirect solicitation of business in posts, business contact information, use of corporate logos, or use of any language or image that can be construed as an advertisement. Posting is defined by posts in forums, signature files, personal messages and e-mails sent from MBWorld.org. Examples of what is not allowed as per this policy:
signatures with member's corporate information, including but not limited to name, number, description of work offered and corporate logos or graphic images.
I have reported pmercury to the webmaster via this link: https://mbworld.org/forums/sendmessage.php. I encourage other members to do the same -- particularly Rodney in light of the tone of pmercury's reply to him in the post immediately before this. .
Pmercury does not own an R230 and is in this forum for the sole purpose of soliciting business for his services. He is violating MBWorld's terms of use with his signature and the content of his posts:
"...advertising on MBWorld.org will only be permitted by officially recognized site sponsors and advertisers. Advertising includes, but is not limited to, direct and indirect solicitation of business in posts, business contact information, use of corporate logos, or use of any language or image that can be construed as an advertisement. Posting is defined by posts in forums, signature files, personal messages and e-mails sent from MBWorld.org. Examples of what is not allowed as per this policy:
signatures with member's corporate information, including but not limited to name, number, description of work offered and corporate logos or graphic images.
I have reported pmercury to the webmaster via this link: https://mbworld.org/forums/sendmessage.php. I encourage other members to do the same -- particularly Rodney in light of the tone of pmercury's reply to him in the post immediately before this. .
lol !
Bob Terryville, with only 3 threads since 2006
report yourself for linking pirate pay-websites
and don't worry, I have screenshots of your posts you deleted today and very valuable members as proof
there is a post still online where you link piracy and you can't unfortunately delete as it is locked
I encourage other members to do the same and report you
and don't forget to delete the post in the beginning of this thread where you sell C3 software and hardware for 320$
...I have screenshots of your posts you deleted today...
I deleted nothing today. I do not even know how to delete a post.
Originally Posted by pmercury
and don't forget to delete the post in the beginning of this thread where you sell old C3 software and hardware for 320$
No such post has ever existed. I have nothing available to sell. What I did mention early on is a $250 SDS on aliexpress.com.
Again, I encourage Rodney to read pmercury's reply to him and join me and others in reporting to the webmaster pmercury's violation of the terms of use: https://mbworld.org/forums/sendmessage.php.
Last edited by bobterry99; 12-20-2019 at 11:45 AM.
I deleted nothing today. I do not even know how to delete a post.
No such post has ever existed. I have nothing available to sell. What I did mention early on is a $250 SDS on aliexpress.com.
Again, I encourage Rodney to read pmercury's reply to him and join me and others in reporting to the webmaster pmercury's violation of the terms of use: https://mbworld.org/forums/sendmessage.php.
12-14-2019, 12:02 PM
I have no regrets in the route I went (Chinese C3, Dell630) and the learning experience that came with it. The system I have will more than meet ALL of my needs. I think your advice is spot on for someone wanting to do it themselves in the $350 range.
(broken hearts, "Chinese crap", Alzheimer, "characteristics of the modern psychopath", "ignorant or a liar", "Pathological Lying and Manipulation", Monty Pythons Black Knight, "Mythomaniac full of hate", "IT...the clown who keeps coming back..."), at some point this really doesn't add to the discussion, aside from being amusing at times (when I typed "Mythomaniac", it auto corrected to nymphomaniac...)
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, just trying to say thanks for the info (from both sides), and try to keep it constructive. 
