E55 with Speedshift, Paddles, M Mode and other Mods
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W109 300SEL6.3, W123 280TE, W123 200T, W210 E55
Hi,
# of my old W210 E55 EGS52 is A0325451432, the new W211 E55 EGS52 has A0345451532
i dont know if you will get any benefit from the blue solenoids, i read a lot about rough shifting from persons who switched from brown to blue without the correct egs installed.
greetings, Fabian
# of my old W210 E55 EGS52 is A0325451432, the new W211 E55 EGS52 has A0345451532
i dont know if you will get any benefit from the blue solenoids, i read a lot about rough shifting from persons who switched from brown to blue without the correct egs installed.
greetings, Fabian
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+1,
anyone with EGS52 can do the blue top, but unfortunate can’t be done with EGS51...
!!,
but im not sure if that need to be coded with tiptronic only, or can be done with our gate shifter...??,
Great job with blue top swapped Fabian....
,
ZAYED,,
anyone with EGS52 can do the blue top, but unfortunate can’t be done with EGS51...
!!,but im not sure if that need to be coded with tiptronic only, or can be done with our gate shifter...??,
Great job with blue top swapped Fabian....
,ZAYED,,
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Fabian,
I heard the MB upgrades the "torque converter lockup" solenoid, and replaced the #,
from "140 277 04 35" to "240 270 17 00", is that right.....??
ZAYED,,
I heard the MB upgrades the "torque converter lockup" solenoid, and replaced the #,
from "140 277 04 35" to "240 270 17 00", is that right.....??
ZAYED,,
Last edited by cm60k; Oct 1, 2013 at 05:53 AM.
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hm... cant find that number in EPC ... strange.
Regarding to EPC torque converter lockup valve is 1402770035 replaced with 1402770435 ... but this means nothing, mercedes benz oftens replaces just the partnumbers but the item itself stays the same.
same for the 3 shifting valves, all have "replaced with" numbers.
otherwise the 2 valves with the blue caps ... these have "up to transmission #" and "from transmission #" valves. The valves with the blue cap (240... part number) where only installed in later 722.643 Speedshift Transmissions.
in 210, 203, 202, 208 they where never installed. e.g. the 722.636 Transmission have the #140 valves replaces with #203 valves ...
greetings, Fabian
Regarding to EPC torque converter lockup valve is 1402770035 replaced with 1402770435 ... but this means nothing, mercedes benz oftens replaces just the partnumbers but the item itself stays the same.
same for the 3 shifting valves, all have "replaced with" numbers.
otherwise the 2 valves with the blue caps ... these have "up to transmission #" and "from transmission #" valves. The valves with the blue cap (240... part number) where only installed in later 722.643 Speedshift Transmissions.
in 210, 203, 202, 208 they where never installed. e.g. the 722.636 Transmission have the #140 valves replaces with #203 valves ...
greetings, Fabian
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I replaced the blue tops "3" times, forced a damn very firm shifting,, i contacted with many tuners, WITH NO LUCK,,
i believe the blue tops can be installed through the EGS52 & tiptronic shifter only, i can’t confirm that,
unless if there are anyone got EGS52 with earlier gate shifter...!!
before spending $$$$, i suggest to contact with someone that can retune the EGS51,
to raise the pressure after installing blue tops......
ZAYED,,
i believe the blue tops can be installed through the EGS52 & tiptronic shifter only, i can’t confirm that,
unless if there are anyone got EGS52 with earlier gate shifter...!!
before spending $$$$, i suggest to contact with someone that can retune the EGS51,
to raise the pressure after installing blue tops......
ZAYED,,
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'00 Mercedes 430/55 clk cabriolet
Hi Fabian,
Going back to my shifting I can recall that the shift points were different for the 1st two gears. They shifted early at 5800rpm then from 3rd gear and 4th shifted at 6000rpm.
There are torque limiters in the lower gears that my ECU tune raised so I can now use maximum revs.
The supercharged AMG models that had 4 valves per cylinder had raised rpm to 6300, later models in higher gears went to 6700rpm!
Sickc43owner
The blue solenoid upgrade cannot be done with the 'old' shift gate, you need a tiptronic shifter!
If you want to do the upgrade it will be very expensive for you.
You will need to change a lot of parts, basically your whole shift system from gate to TCU.
If you do a search there are a couple of guys that have done this with good results.
Going back to my shifting I can recall that the shift points were different for the 1st two gears. They shifted early at 5800rpm then from 3rd gear and 4th shifted at 6000rpm.
There are torque limiters in the lower gears that my ECU tune raised so I can now use maximum revs.
The supercharged AMG models that had 4 valves per cylinder had raised rpm to 6300, later models in higher gears went to 6700rpm!
Sickc43owner
The blue solenoid upgrade cannot be done with the 'old' shift gate, you need a tiptronic shifter!
If you want to do the upgrade it will be very expensive for you.
You will need to change a lot of parts, basically your whole shift system from gate to TCU.
If you do a search there are a couple of guys that have done this with good results.
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Hi Fabian,
Going back to my shifting I can recall that the shift points were different for the 1st two gears. They shifted early at 5800rpm then from 3rd gear and 4th shifted at 6000rpm.
There are torque limiters in the lower gears that my ECU tune raised so I can now use maximum revs.
The supercharged AMG models that had 4 valves per cylinder had raised rpm to 6300, later models in higher gears went to 6700rpm!
Sickc43owner
The blue solenoid upgrade cannot be done with the 'old' shift gate, you need a tiptronic shifter!
If you want to do the upgrade it will be very expensive for you.
You will need to change a lot of parts, basically your whole shift system from gate to TCU.
If you do a search there are a couple of guys that have done this with good results.
Going back to my shifting I can recall that the shift points were different for the 1st two gears. They shifted early at 5800rpm then from 3rd gear and 4th shifted at 6000rpm.
There are torque limiters in the lower gears that my ECU tune raised so I can now use maximum revs.
The supercharged AMG models that had 4 valves per cylinder had raised rpm to 6300, later models in higher gears went to 6700rpm!
Sickc43owner
The blue solenoid upgrade cannot be done with the 'old' shift gate, you need a tiptronic shifter!
If you want to do the upgrade it will be very expensive for you.
You will need to change a lot of parts, basically your whole shift system from gate to TCU.
If you do a search there are a couple of guys that have done this with good results.
Is no posible to do te blue top solenoids in the 99 E55 without tiptronic?
If i understand good all supercharger amg engines are 3 valve (m113's) the newer 4 valve engines are N/A or turbo. Correct me if i'm wrong
Fabio Daniel
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W109 300SEL6.3, W123 280TE, W123 200T, W210 E55
Yep, thats correct.
Chronologicaly:
M119 N/A 4-valve Engine in E50 and E60 W124/W210
M113 N/A 3-valve Engine in E55 W210
M113 S/C 3-valve Engine in E55 W211
M156 N/A 4-valve Engine in "6.3 1st Version"
M157 Turbo 4-valve Engine in actual 6.3 Cars
Chronologicaly:
M119 N/A 4-valve Engine in E50 and E60 W124/W210
M113 N/A 3-valve Engine in E55 W210
M113 S/C 3-valve Engine in E55 W211
M156 N/A 4-valve Engine in "6.3 1st Version"
M157 Turbo 4-valve Engine in actual 6.3 Cars
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Hi Fabio!
I'm good! You should post up about your car! Any new updates?
It is true most things can be overcome by how much you're willing to pay!
The blue top mod in older shifters people have reported non favourable effects until they changed the whole shift mechanism. Unfortunately Speed Shift IS the way to go!
Yes, guys my mistake, supercharged AMGs are 3 valve, 4 valve are N/A OR turbo!
I was thinking about my friends W209 CLK AMG and how much that revs to!
I'm good! You should post up about your car! Any new updates?
It is true most things can be overcome by how much you're willing to pay!
The blue top mod in older shifters people have reported non favourable effects until they changed the whole shift mechanism. Unfortunately Speed Shift IS the way to go!
Yes, guys my mistake, supercharged AMGs are 3 valve, 4 valve are N/A OR turbo!
I was thinking about my friends W209 CLK AMG and how much that revs to!
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thanks Paul! i post some pics of my car in the W210 section! here's the link: https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...class-109.html . Glad to hear about you my friend!Fabio Daniel
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Not sure if you accidentially put a period between the 6 and the 3 but the M157 is a 5.5L engine. MB puts them in the 63 series cars but don't confuse that with the later model 6.3 cars which actually uses a 6.2L engine.
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EGS51 can't be reprogrammed or retune to match the blue tops,
that needs a super professional tuner, to flash the EGS & put a complete new data/file from the EGS52,
with a new signal for start authorization, from the EGS to the ECU through the CAN,,
{{**who knows this kind of the "ULTIMATE SAVING HERO"**}}.....
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that needs a super professional tuner, to flash the EGS & put a complete new data/file from the EGS52,
with a new signal for start authorization, from the EGS to the ECU through the CAN,,
{{**who knows this kind of the "ULTIMATE SAVING HERO"**}}.....
ZAYED,,
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W109 300SEL6.3, W123 280TE, W123 200T, W210 E55
my brother and i own a "real" 6.3 W109 with M100 Engine, so I really know what i am talking about
... sorry for the confussion
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Ecu replaced
Damnitt, dumped more money , same issue.egs replaced same issue.the issue of hesitation is only present if mild throttle application is applied through 1st and 2nd gear and when trying accelerate with say 90% throttle definite hesitation to 4k rpms and then power ban--- shoot is this normal??????
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Today i orderded the old Kleemann Headers ... not the ones from China ... and got a nice offer for reprogramming my ETC back to 2.82 diff instead of 2.65.
Stay tuned for a soon update (i hope)
greetings, Fabian
Stay tuned for a soon update (i hope)
greetings, Fabian
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Where did you ordered the old style Kleemann headers? Are they used? I thought the old ones were replace by the one piece flange from china.
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greetings, Fabian
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Hi Fabian,
How much difference is there in accelleration or when cruising at say 3000rpm on the highway is 2.65 compared to 2.82?
Would you not prefer drivability compared to mpg?
I ask because if you reprogramme back to 2.82 you will have to swap your diff again (costs and labour)!
How much difference is there in accelleration or when cruising at say 3000rpm on the highway is 2.65 compared to 2.82?
Would you not prefer drivability compared to mpg?
I ask because if you reprogramme back to 2.82 you will have to swap your diff again (costs and labour)!
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not much ... at least its simple math. 2.82 to 2.65 is a difference of .17 which is nearly 6% of 2.82.
i remember i have 150 km/h at exactly 3000rpm with the 2.82, so now i have 159 km/h with the 2.65. Its not much but its a little dull when you drive on the highway. As you maybe know, germany has NO Speedlimit on the highway at all, you can drive as fast as you can (or would). My Max speed over long distance with the 2.82 is 286 km/h ... with the 2.65 its 274 km/h. The Engine have not enough power for the 2.65 to accalerate in the 5th gear, therefore the 4th nearly goes up to 280km/h
I have the 2.82 diff in stock ... and all thats necessary to switch it ... it only costs time, thats fair enough for a hobby i think.
greetings, fabian
i remember i have 150 km/h at exactly 3000rpm with the 2.82, so now i have 159 km/h with the 2.65. Its not much but its a little dull when you drive on the highway. As you maybe know, germany has NO Speedlimit on the highway at all, you can drive as fast as you can (or would). My Max speed over long distance with the 2.82 is 286 km/h ... with the 2.65 its 274 km/h. The Engine have not enough power for the 2.65 to accalerate in the 5th gear, therefore the 4th nearly goes up to 280km/h
I have the 2.82 diff in stock ... and all thats necessary to switch it ... it only costs time
, thats fair enough for a hobby i think. greetings, fabian
