Rafal

Two weeks ago I drove my first E63, belonging to a friend, and was totally shocked by how flat, laggy and unresponsive it felt compared to my E55 with AMG Sprint Booster.
Sorry fellows, but if you'd bought the E63, they've sold you a puppy!

There is just no way that anybody in their right mind who previously owned any of the 55K powered cars, would willingly "upgrade" to any of the new 63 powered vehicles (except DerekFSU, LOL).That leaves the new crop of unsuspecting, aspiring AMG owners who don't know what they are missing.

There is a small remedy for the long gas pedal travel, which delays the E63's acceleration until it's been pressed to the boards for a few long seconds.
I just installed in my friends E63 the standard Automatic version of the Sprint Booster (don't bother with the AMG version of SB in a car without the Kompressor) and the improvment was significant. My friend likes it, but he still cannot stop apologising for trading his 5 year old SL55 for this laggy, peaky, high revving car, which has no torque to speak of below 4000RPM.

Jon2007E63P30

The problem is that the engine rotation was optimized for the northern hemisphere.

You need to fly up to Sacramento, CA for the 12/8 event to see what I mean.

MB_Forever

ditto

MOROSO55

I agree 100%

juicee63

There is 370 ft lbs of torque at 2000 rpm. wow you have 46 lbs per ft more tq and you think that makes your car faster cause its more violent off the line?


even my 4600 lb CLS 63 out traps your 55...maybe you should check your pump. There are 63's that have gone faster than your 55, and you calling the car a "puppy" is just slapping your own car down to baby dog status. Your buddies car will not be any faster with the SB installed, it helps the lag but you can change that by hard acceleration and ECU adaptation. You guys should line em up and make a video titled, "Wolf killed by sheep"

rflow306

juicee63

The E63 is an AMG car and requires the AMG version of the SB. You own a 63 and want improvement you buy the AMG version of the SB!!! Calling the car a sheep is bad enough but even worse is now you are striping the 63 of AMG branding? This is ridiculous.

sack5000

You are trying to perpetuate the myth that started when the 63 came out as the new kid on the block. Unfortunately, to combat your ignorance of how the two cars perform against one another facts have now been recorded. You might want to read some recent posts on the subject and also follow the track results from the upcoming event in CA on 12/08/07, you could be surprised!

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...=218091&page=2

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...=193102&page=6

intellilogic

So I was wondering, is there any way to make sprint booster only work in like sport mode? I have never driven a car with this thing, don't know THAT much, I know it pulses a throttle signal or some stuff, but I want to know if it would work only in sport mode and not comfort mode, that would be badass.

juicee63

The SB simply fools the car into thinking it is WOT at half throttle. It unfortunately cannot be shut down via changing from S to C. It is always on.

It helped me on the street and hurt me on the race track. Takes away feel IMHO. When I want full throttle I wanna mash not half step.

rarfinancial

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock... 11/30/2007 Any Questions? LOL

oldgixxer

Go get 'em Juicee!!

Rarfinancial,diggin the new pic,your CLS is sittin nice!

MB_Forever

All games aside though, so far, in the last 3 California Speedway Raceway events, there hasn't been one stock 55 that was able to beat a stock e63

Every single stock e63 beat every single stock e55 in E.T. (which was very close) and in trap speed (which the 63 scored 3 to 4 mph higher)

The only way to change this ongoing stats is to have more stock E55 show up on 11/30/2007 and 12/08/2007

Let the games begin.........

TopGun32

c'mon guys.. don't include Jangy on those runs.

He did not have his intake tubes on...

btw: While this 63 vs 55 holds true here in Cali for the most part.. there has been no 63 close to Enzom's trap 118.

I'm not going to start the Mod vs Stock debate..(pointless)

stock vs stock it will be up to the driver and who ever has the best gear or power band.

MB_Forever

Although Enzom's car is very impressive, you can't compare just one car to the rest of the 63s. Take the average 55 times and compare them to the 63 times and you'll see that both cars are extremely close in performance except that the 63 tends to trap a little higher. In fact, if we did a 1/2 mile race instead of 1/4 mile, I think the 55 would not have any chance.

By the way I don't mean just Jangy......... Juicee lined up against many 55s and yet to lose to any. I myself lined up against a couple of 55s on the street and lost to only 1 of them.

Let the stock 55s show up on 11/30/2007 or 12/08/2007 and lets end this for good. There are plenty of stock 63 going (at least 4), so let the races begin.........

juicee63

Looks like Rafal , rather than trying to help his buddies broken 63 would rather bash all 63's. even going as far as calling her a puppy and using a NON AMG sprint booster LOL...Wow may as well rewind back to 11/06/2006 when the 63 bashing was at an alltime high and Rafal led the way.



Maybe the folks down under have failed to follow the progress...

1. Derek FSU has been bested by .7 and nearly 8mph in trap speed.
2. Most 55 owners that have had a chance to run a 63 heads up have stopped talking sh**.
3. The cars are brutal and very very close. Races are driver determined.
ET best 12.31
1/4trap best 116
60ft best 1.69
1/8th best 8.000
1/8th best 91mph

The very best stock time in a 55 still destroys the 63 but on average the cars are close, super close, its a very fun race.

Seat time is critical in both and the 55 guys have a higher degree of skill and experience. Rather than bash they mostly have offered assitance and helped many folks become PARTICIPANTS.

Why we constantly have to defend the cars we purchased is peplexing. Especially when heads up 55's just do not do what you claim. How many times must we run to gain the respect of our fellow AMG owners? I have raced fellow 63's and fellow 55's both races are won and lost in the first 60 ft. NEITHER car can make up the diff in 60ft. Bottom line is if you use Enzom's best stock time (11.775) you could conclude the E55 is faster than the 600 and the 65. Bottom line Enzom and Housclass and Richard Ingram are going to be difficult to ever match, they represent the very best the creme de la creme..Your time is more representative of the 55 and it is dam fast, but it is no faster than the 63 you call a sheep, a puppy, a laggard.

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

TopGun32

I agree with the gearing past 1/4... 63's reach 150 (1+ second sooner) which is a big lead... and probably increases.

but you are also comparing two 63's with 030 options... vs stock E55. Maybe the LSD is something to account your success. A featured option probably paying dividens your investment.

juicee63

All we ask is not to be called puppies and sheep?

I hope the LSD has helped but my time was recently destroyed by a NEWBIE in the East named Mathmik...He hit 12.5@113.XX, and his car is non 030. Oldgixxer's 12.34 pass is also in a non 030 car. But yeah off the line this LSD should help. The weather has cooled and the times will improve. The 63's at Cal Speedway were actually trapping nearly as high as a 55 with a larger TB and cooling mod. The ET was equal between an ECU tuned 63 with headers and a 55 with larger TB and cooling mod. 12.6@113.88 vs 12.6@114... You should come out so you could see for yourself.

TopGun32

puppy and sheep.. was a bit over the top..

let's not take it personal.

Some owners are not in tune as others.

I was there last year 06.. at the original MBworld event with only 10+ cars for like 6 hours!

I did not run back then.. my E55 was on a truck from Fl to Cali. I didn't want to emberrase my self with a C32.

Back then.. DragonAMG smoked the M6 and 2 M5's and killed everbody in the field.

We only had 1 63 last year.. and it was too new to really compare.

I'll definately going to make it to watch the runs...

jangy

Couple of things. I'm gonna address both sides, because we do have a rift.

The comment on the 63 not being worthy of AMG status is rediculous. I ride in Roger's E63 all the time and trust me, it is all AMG. Now, the cars are two completely different beasts. The 1/4 mile just so happens to be where our worlds cross. To make stereotypes, I'd say the E55 will get the E63 in the 1/8th, and the E63 would get the E55 in the 1/2 mile. The 1/4 is a flip em on ets with a slight edge to the 63s for traps.
In the real world, the E55 happens to be in its powerband more often, so sudden needs of power are usually there without the windup lag that an unsuspecting 63 driver would have.

The ONLY rationale that anyone could use to give the 55 props is the tuneability (which many of us love) and the "cult" culture that the Kompressor has. The 63s haven't been endeared yet, because AMG purists are used to displacement + induction. We aren't Bimmer folks. We are waiting for the 63TT or something of the sorts, then we will hail it king.

For me, all of this is irrelevent. Even the E55 is a puppy compared to the 65s in our own brand. An E-Class with that V12TT would be the most awesome car to me.

jangy

I forgot about the other side. The dragsters. The issue I have is that you guys do the about face with the "wins" and "loses". If someone has a "best" somewhere, you get all toted up (E55 and E63s). I hate that. Who gives a rat's a$$ what your car did under ideal conditions at one single moment in time? Let me explain a bit. I consider it kind of flaky to seek out the ideal track and weather conditions and then make any claims by them. It just is. To me, if you didn't do it side by side, then it did not happen. Period.
Sure, it is great to know what your car's potential is or what it did on that bright cold day in Sac Town after sitting with 5 bags of ice on the motor for 2 hours, but that doesn't mean your car is faster than a car that ran different times at another track.
Now, while at the track, or even for bragging rights; you MUST agree on what the metric is that will be evaluated. Sure, all the numbers will be looked at as indicators of why and how, but what is the ultimate boasting number? To me, it would be the one that crosses the line first. again, PERIOD. Reaction times, etc. should all count. Whatever it is, decide BEFORE the race so that people stop making excuses when they lose.

jangy

Last thing. I disagree that my numbers from that day should count. We should take it with a grain of salt, but I showed up to line up against Greg and he beat me fair and square. Would it have been different with the tubes? Maybe, but he whooped my butt.
The CLS' were a different story. Somehow, we always saw the winner differently. I think I got one shot at rarfinancial and he WORKED my ***. The actual ET was not as telling, but he got a great jump on me at the trees. After that, I put it in Dyno mode and started doing the "light, light, GO" thing and my times dropped bigtime.
Funny thing is that I was hotlapping, because I was having so much fun smoking the tires in the pre-stage; but my times simply improved with each and every lap. My 54th lap was my best ET and Traps. Sure, the weather got better as the day went on, but it was the same story even during the day. I wonder if my ECU / TCU was doing any learning, cause I know I was.

Jon2007E63P30

Gentlemen.

I explained this in my first post. The E63 has 2 cam shafts that ofset their rotation but only one crank shaft. It is optimized for the northern hemisphere. The E55 has a supercharger which offsets the rotation of the crank shaft. As a result the E55 works better in the southern hemisphere vs an E63, but in the northern hemisphere everything is equal and the E63 slightly out performes the E55.

Oh, by the way, I removed my charcoal air filters and improved my HP by 50hp at the rear wheels.

I am also planning on spending a lot on upgrades ever since I got all that money for selling that bridge in Brooklyn.

rarfinancial

Thanks man..
Hey you guys I am 100% stock again, Can I come out to play now? Now, if I happen to hit some where very close to the high
11's I'm sure it's just the cold weather

OzE55

I think that's a misquote.
I recall Rafal has a spare non-AMG SB. I think that's why he used it on his friends car. My read is that he felt that the non-AMG SB made such a dramatic difference to the throttle feel that buying the (? more expensive) AMG version wasn't worth it.
That's all I'm going to say.