NdnMbLova

What is up with these reporters stalking car forums just for some material for their stories?

Carl Lassiter

That's the nature of the business. It provides the background and is a whole lot more palletable than bothering the families directly at this early stage of the grieving process.

NdnMbLova

It also allows for alot of speculation.

rahulanand1130

my parents trust me to know im not going to do anything stupid, because i have alot to lose. A buisness in my name, and if i lose my license i cant go to school. I havent had a curfew since i was about 15 though

NdnMbLova

I'm 21 and i still have a goddamn curfew. It's very easy for my dad to take away my car keys and leave my *** on the street.

Improviz

Interesting: the posts have been restored. The one in particular that I'd been trying to find was this one:
How sad, and ironic.

RJC

Post #24 in the thread below sums it up...


https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...34#post2610334



At least the kid who crashed the M5 kept the car off public roads but unfortunately he had passengers...

RJC

Good for you, how old are you?

RJC

http://www.ocala.com/article/2008012.../BREAKING_NEWS

coolcamden

In 2 years when our 14 year old starts to drive, I'm buying him a Honda Civic, and pull the wires off 2 spark plugs.

KiwiRobbie

I might sound harsh but it's far better to get an idiot off the road like this now than to let him keep on driving for another XX years and perhaps kill someone else. I worked with a guy whose brother and 3 others died in very similar circumstance in a high powered car, he didn't learn from it, he died in an accident two years later which killed him and two people in the car he hit.

Nobody learns from incidents like this, young guys will still go out and buy or get bought for them high performance cars and kill themselves and others.

KiwiRobbie

Tony I don't believe that the 4 passangers were innocent, they made the choice to get into the car with the driver, if they are like most other young guys in a fast car I am sure they were goading the driver into going faster.

All in all it's still the parents of the driver who are responsible for this, they should not have allowed the child to own or drive a car like this.

Zod

Its the Devil him self speaking!
um i am sure there is some Decency in you some where, so try to dig deep and think of the tragedy that has happen rather then a twisted happiness from several people passing away in an accident

Also remind me to laugh & Praise at you if you get onto a buss and it crashes, because it your fault for getting on it, based on your statement your guilty

KiwiRobbie

Big difference between getting on public transport and getting into a car with a young boy racer who may or may not have been drunk, any idiot can see that.

My comments have nothing to do with being decent or not, I would think it a tradegy had he killed a pedisterian or run into another car and killed someone else, this is no tradegy, it was an accident which could very easily have been averted and should not have happened.

Jon2007E63P30

Smart does not equal wisdom.

Wisdom is what keeps smart and normal people from doing stupid things.

But we all ocassionaly do stupid things. If you have a lapse and have 10 seconds of stupidity the odds of you ending up in a bad situation are far higher in our type of cars than in the Volvo240 that was my first car my parents loaned me to drive.

Younger smart people just do not have as much wisdom as older people. For instance . I don't think that any of us would argue that he is a better driver than any of us on this board. But he displayed bad judgement in France and in China when he slid off the pit entry into gravel. Wisdom and experience!!!! There are a lot of smart people on this board, but there are always short snippets of information that tell me many of us are having those lapses in wisdom.

For instance, halo stated . Which means that if there was less traffic he would have "really gotten into it". Which would have left him and the driver of the vette (who was displaying absolutely no judgement) exposed to all those little unknowns that can happen on a pulic road.

I have to admit that I have had my lapses in judgement as well. Stories I will hold to myself until I meet you at an event.

As for the posts by KiwiRobbie, I do not agree.

skooby

Kiwi, a child made a bad decision and cost himself and others their lives. There is nothing good that comes from tragic death, lessons can be learned in a much less severe form at that age.

Uber Wagon

It's probably a good thing that the M5board posts were restored - because otherwise - he would have found himself in a whole heap of ^&%#.

If I were a parent of one of the "passengers", I'd be gathering such evidence to further my lawsuit. You KNOW it's gonna happen. He KNEW he was driving a missile. He KNEW that he had been warned about the skills required to drive the car. He had been WARNED not even one day prior that he was headed for a disaster.

Removing those posts were akin to destroying evidence.

The fact that they promote high speed airport runs is a whole other story. I don't think they (he) will escape this without some sort of litigation.

And I have to agree - if I had children, their first cars would be DIESEL Mercedes wagons or 10 year old Volvo 240's. Very little tempation to "prove" anything in those cars.

The father that made the bad decision to give this kid a 500 HP car paid with the loss of his son, and will most likely pay with everything else he has when the courts get through with him - it was registered to him and I am sure he's heavily insured - but everyone's umbrella coverage has limits - and nothing could prepare you to try to get coverage for killing 4 other people.

Once again - his internet expoits are going to bite him in the ****. It would seem to point to a higher charge or willful disregard to safety, etc. making what MAY have been looked at as a terrible accident into an act with gross negligence......

ItalianStallion

+1 million!

KiwiRobbie, WTF!?

I've gotten into cars before and only found out later that the driver was high or drunk. If he whiped out would that mean that I am to blame? The fact is that 5 kids died. If you don't find that a tradgedy then don't post here.

Its probably people like you who would let rapists out of prison to walk the streets so they can strike again, but feel some kid who had a little too much alcohol and horsepower deserves his death, as well as the 4 kids who were riding along.

Blacksport350

I similar accident just happened 30 minutes from where I live...a WRX with several youths in it hit a traffic pole at 90-100MPH and was ripped to bits like that M5 with everyone dead. Very tragic!

The bottom line is that there are too many cars with big horsepower that are accessible to people you aren't trained to drive them. Driver training should be a mandatory part of the licensing process like it is in many European countries so drivers can learn something about vehicle dynamics. Most adults with fast cars have no clue what vehicle dynamics are all about, let alone younger drivers.

Age has little to do with the problem, instead it is gross lack of skill and training. I know plenty of young racers that are very skilled and that I would trust on the street in anything. I also know far more adults with fast cars that I wouldn't want to share a parking lot with, let alone a highway!

I guess in a country where it is difficult to find a road with a speed limit of more than 65MPH, training is thought of as unneeded.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

I don't know if it's so much a matter of age but experience behind the wheel. There are and have been 18 year old F1 drivers. Given, every F1 driver is the exception to the rule with unreal reflexes and near psychic knowledge of their cars, but the difference is in their experience. Most of those guys have been riding go-karts since they were able to walk.

I have long been an advocate of some sort of mandatory training and retesting program for drivers in the US. There are millions of people on US roads who have no right to be behind the wheel for myriad reasons. Elderly drivers should be tested AT LEAST once a year to see if they're still capable of driving responsibly, and the permit period for driving should be at least 2 years with mandatory driving school for anyone wishing to drive a vehicle over a certain displacement/horsepower rating.

Now I'm not a fan of big government, or having my rights stripped away in this "free" country but I think all of us have the right to get home safe, without grandpa padding the brakes at 45 in the left lane or some 17 year old girl plowing through Priuses on her cell phone at the helm of an H2.

rahulanand1130

I am 20 years old. I am not trying to say that every body should be able to get behind the wheel of a high horsepower vehicle, just everybody responsible enough to.

Yacht Master

Please, it has every thing to do with age. don't perpetuate the falsehood.
Young drivers think they are good and safe drivers, nothing could be farther from the truth. Believe me the insurance companies know the facts and the 16-25 are the worst risk group, End of story, Not looking for a debate.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....2&postcount=61

C43AMG

It is just a matter of time before lawyers start snooping around here ( Kill Stories) for dirt.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

No offense to you buddy, but I think we'd all feel a bit safer if they'd taught you a little about apexing, chassis dynamics, slip angles, corner loading and weight transfer. I learned these things the hard way and I'm glad no one got hurt, I hope you take this as a solemn reminder that you need to learn your car thoroughly, and in a safe place.

Jon2007E63P30

The discussion continues between age/wisdom and skill.

If Lewis Hamilton had someone do something unexpected because they did not realize he was there doing 120MPH bad things would have happened.

Skill and understanding are one thing. Judgement and wisdom are what you do with them. The second is highly dependant on age.

I also agree on experience behind the wheel. Understanding aerodynamics does not make you a good pilot, but you need to know them to be one.


rahulanand1130, talking about "responsible enough" the description in one of your old posts sounds similar to the recent incident. freaky.