Originally Posted by juicee63

The S65 got an ECU/TCU and the trans failed.
The S55 got ECU and Pulley, and SC failed?

Bumper damaged on the way to dealer,

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

Ok I got a quick question. S 55 Vs S 65 ( both cars have ECUtune, the S 55 has 168 mm pulley, S65 also has TCU tune) according to tuners they said total mods for 55 = >60 rwhp, and S65 = 75+ rwhp , who should win. well tonight after super bowl, me and my cousin ran our cars on freeway, and guess what the 55 spanked the 65, I mean me and my cousin drove our cars, then did a car swap, the 55 always came on top. How could this be possible, where on other posts here, I read, that a tuned S65 runs somewhere in the 10s 1/4, stock in the 11s, I mean I know the 55 is tuned too, but I would assume that the 65 would still kick it's a$$. Please let me know, maybe I'm wrong. It looks like ee didn't only lag, lie, and damaged a front end, looks like the 65 is now slower than it used to be stock.

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

The problem is not hp, /

Originally Posted by amgme

look at how the members reacted against ballz when they found out it was EE and you can see why. someone posts their experience on something and they get attacked if he/she disagree w/ him. that could be a reason?

Originally Posted by sdsilverm3

That's the typical reaction you get here and, it seems, in the MB tuner community in general. You've got a bunch of followers and when someone else steps up with an opinion or feedback that isn't the norm they get beat down which in turn discourages people from voicing an opinion against the grain. So it begs the question of when do some of you graduate from high school? Threatening physical violence over negative feeback of a product/tuner? Lame.

I don't personally know ANYONE involved in this ordeal but it seems like the folks who are getting most worked up about it are the ones who A) have an existing relationship with the tuner in question OR B) existing owners of product in question. Instead of getting worked up and being on the offensive against the OP, perhaps you all should pay attention very closely to the situation at hand. FWIW, you all recently just installed the modifications in question (within the last half year) and have no idea what the long term effects are.

Of the almost three years I've been a member of this forum and participant of community events, all of the negative experiences with a number of tuners have been kept on the hush-hush for who knows what reason. It isn't until you talk to the people in person or in private that they will voice their actual experience.

Kind of lame considering the purpose of these "technical" forums.

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

I understad that stuff happens, but when somebody makes things seem so easy like they told us a 20 mins ecu tune, and the cars ended up with a few and anything but minor problems, that kind of doesn't make sense, and when it comes to a jerk, and a chirp, that's totaly different than blowing up a tranny, and saying oh it wasn't our fault, the tranny was so messed up, that it just gave out, what a coincidence , also not taking responsibillity for your actions, what kind of Professional business is that, appologize today, and, lie all over again later, then towing the car, because of what they did, then coming back saying that car came like that, ok??? there is two sides to every story, but I know what happened so did they, as we come to realize, mind you now we didn't know much about any of this, but business ethics remain the same, we run nemours businesses, and I can tell you that's not how you do business with someone spending over 10k, or $10 for that matter.

Originally Posted by sdsilverm3

That's the typical reaction you get here and, it seems, in the MB tuner community in general. You've got a bunch of followers and when someone else steps up with an opinion or feedback that isn't the norm they get beat down which in turn discourages people from voicing an opinion against the grain. So it begs the question of when do some of you graduate from high school? Threatening physical violence over negative feeback of a product/tuner? Lame.

I don't personally know ANYONE involved in this ordeal but it seems like the folks who are getting most worked up about it are the ones who A) have an existing relationship with the tuner in question OR B) existing owners of product in question. Instead of getting worked up and being on the offensive against the OP, perhaps you all should pay attention very closely to the situation at hand. FWIW, you all recently just installed the modifications in question (within the last half year) and have no idea what the long term effects are.

Of the almost three years I've been a member of this forum and participant of community events, all of the negative experiences with a number of tuners have been kept on the hush-hush for who knows what reason. It isn't until you talk to the people in person or in private that they will voice their actual experience.

Kind of lame considering the purpose of these "technical" forums.

Originally Posted by Bay Area User

the problem is HP! if you had a baseline done, you could simply look at it and figure out how much more power you have to begin with. you could compare both car's powers... before and afters, etc.
you do have a print out of your a/f and hp(dyno run) after the tune, right?

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

I totaly agree, my question is regardless to hp gain, shouldn't the s65 with the mods listed, spank the S55 with the mods listed?

Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe

Ling for President!

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

The problem is not hp, a stock 55 Vs stock 65, the 55 has no chance, and a moded 55 vs a moded 65 ( similar modes, that I've mention above) the 55 should have no chance, so what the hell?????/

Originally Posted by BallzyS55

Ok I got a quick question. S 55 Vs S 65 ( both cars have ECUtune, the S 55 has 168 mm pulley, S65 also has TCU tune) according to tuners they said total mods for 55 = >60 rwhp, and S65 = 75+ rwhp , who should win. well tonight after super bowl, me and my cousin ran our cars on freeway, and guess what the 55 spanked the 65, I mean me and my cousin drove our cars, then did a car swap, the 55 always came on top. How could this be possible, where on other posts here, I read, that a tuned S65 runs somewhere in the 10s 1/4, stock in the 11s, I mean I know the 55 is tuned too, but I would assume that the 65 would still kick it's a$$. Please let me know, maybe I'm wrong. It looks like ee didn't only lag, lie, and damaged a front end, looks like the 65 is now slower than it used to be stock.

Originally Posted by LZH

Right....Because saying "sorry" makes it all better...I've heard that BS excuse more times than I'd like to admit. Clearly, there was a problem that has yet to be resolved to the customers likeing. Now, if I was the tuner in question, I would be offering allot more than a free ELM and bend over backwards to make sure this guy is happy and prevent this type of thread from ever being started. And furthermore, why is it the customers responsibility to have to ASK for something ??? Why should he have to even say what it is he wants, as you put it ??? The tuner should step up to the plate, bite the bullet, admit responsibility and buy this guy a steak dinner, tickets to a ball game, whatever AND do the programming and even more for free - just as a gesture of good will and to show his willingness to do whatever it takes to make this guy happy. That's how I conduct business and I have happy customers, 100%. Becasue guess what....the deficit spending required to make this customer happy and prevent a thread like this from ever being started would be allot less than the revenues lost due to bad publicity. I have no idea who this tuner is...but just from reading this thread, I would never give them my business.
But, all too often these days, people screw up and think saying "I'm sorry" makes it all better. We are not kids where our parents tell us to say your sorry and all is forgiven. Time has been lost, promises broken and damages have occurred between adults. Simply saying you're sorry doesn't cut it. Actions speak louder than words.
Finally, there are indeed 2 sides to every story. But until the tuner tells his side of the story, here in public, this thread will only serve as negative publicity for the aforementioned tuner. And if said tuner has nothing to hide and has consequently done everything conceivably possible to make this customer happy, then there should be no reason for him NOT to say so and give us all the "real" story. Until that happens.....

Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe

Ling for President!

Originally Posted by Jakpro1

Must admit, things have gotten a bit strange lately. Soon as I get my car tuned, I'm throwing in the towel on modding my E55 any further.

Been a blast and besides just a few purchases, I have enjoyed nearly every mod I have bought.

Originally Posted by jangy

I went through it, too. Just let the thruth find its way. It is very true that you rarely hear of people's experiences until in private or through word of mouth. It has taken me some effort to find all of the people that have had a similar ordeal to mine.