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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Juciee, Great Idea!!!

How about we make it AMG vs. M!

In Chicago!!

I am in.

Why not just start another thread based on your idea and see who would find that interesting enough for us to plan it....anywhere in Chicago is great for me!
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Guys,

I am currently trying to get AMG to sponsor this event , to make it more affordable and better pricing on hotels and track rental.

I have asked for a weekend in November a two day Sat and Sunday event with cash prizes and promo's. I have presented it as an advertisement for AMG, Mercedes, and what the sedans do when they are not being used for going to dinners and shoping at Ralphs, Safeway and Kroeger, Winn Dixie ETC..

I have not really gotten any father than this.

If folks wanna start checking prices, what available region by region lets start posting real tangible info rather than attacking eachother.


Lets post up some two day prices for side by side runs, at MIR, ATCO, ENGLISHTOWN, US41, Any track someone feels is fast lets post up some details on a rental during a COOL time of year , NOV-March(April)or maybe night time runs?

We can settle all this beef on the track.

I can finally show the Atlantic Coast what Orca can do
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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^^^Great post.


Most weekend two-day events I've priced run between $5000-$8000 depending on locale. Mid-week rentals are considerably less.

Later in the season, more deals might be had.

EDIT: Some of the smaller tracks tend to run later in the season, as well. A place like RT66 can't be convinced to stay open late for virtually any sum.

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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 573WHPCLS
Count me out, this is obviously never going to go down. I find it very funny how so many of you want to do this on a "fast track", just goes to show what little knowledge most of you must have about drag racing. True, some tracks are traditioanlly faster than others, however on any given day, any track can be fast. There are so many uncontrolable variables in play. Hell, there are a few records that still stand at Denver where the elevation is nearly 5000 feet. So for you all to be caught up in Atco is a joke. It just seems to me that you don't want to travel very far. So if and when you ladies figure out when and where you are going to do this, please let me know.
Although any track can be fast on a certain day, some tracks are fast on a lot more days. For example, California Speedway at Fontana is a track that is almost never as fast as ATCO: high humidity, high temperatures (64 to 94 F), high DA, medium to strong head wind, etc..... However, ATCO consistently measures very low DA (-1800 DA), low humidity, 40 F temperatures, excellent track prep, and seems to be cheap to rent in November/December and February/March. I'm not really sure how fast MIR is, but maybe someone can compare weather conditions, DA, etc....

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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by juicee63
If folks wanna start checking prices, what available region by region lets start posting real tangible info rather than attacking eachother...
Here's some elevation #s and opinions for some of the local tracks:

Rt66 - Joliet (~1hr from Chicago) : It's about 518'. The track is pretty new, but the town is a scary dump; there is a casino nearby.

US41 - Morocco, IN (~1.2 hrs from Chicago): 662'. This is a nice, family run track that is usually well-prepped. It is in the middle of the cornfields, at least 40 miles from civilization of any kind.

Gateway- St. Louis (~5hrs from Chicago) 403' This is a nice facility, also well prepped. It's about 1/2 hr from St. Louis proper.

131 - Martin, MI (~3 hrs from Chicago) 658' Small, family-run facility, just up the road from Kalamazoo. Recently redone.

Byron - Byron, IL (~2hrs from Chicago) 756' OK prep, decent facility. Much better since the pits got paved.

Great Lakes - Union Grove, WI (~2hrs from Chicago) 770'. Nice facility, on the smaller side. Prep is so-so.

That's about all I can come up with around here off the top of my head.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 12:32 AM
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoX
Here's some elevation #s and opinions for some of the local tracks:

Rt66 - Joliet (~1hr from Chicago) : It's about 518'. The track is pretty new, but the town is a scary dump; there is a casino nearby.

US41 - Morocco, IN (~1.2 hrs from Chicago): 662'. This is a nice, family run track that is usually well-prepped. It is in the middle of the cornfields, at least 40 miles from civilization of any kind.

Gateway- St. Louis (~5hrs from Chicago) 403' This is a nice facility, also well prepped. It's about 1/2 hr from St. Louis proper.

131 - Martin, MI (~3 hrs from Chicago) 658' Small, family-run facility, just up the road from Kalamazoo. Recently redone.

Byron - Byron, IL (~2hrs from Chicago) 756' OK prep, decent facility. Much better since the pits got paved.

Great Lakes - Union Grove, WI (~2hrs from Chicago) 770'. Nice facility, on the smaller side. Prep is so-so.

That's about all I can come up with around here off the top of my head.
Gateway is awesome and it could accomodate the Oval runs as well.
Looks like you guys also enjoy nightime runs, March or November looks best for the region. 6-12 would be neat. Looks like a nice track and great location.

OMG!!! I just realized ....... THE FASTEST TRACK IN THE USA is not ATCO.

Here we go

http://www.akracewaypark.com/

Man thats purdy!
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ProjectC55
That's Mark! and yes the stck internals on the S52 motors can handle up to 550whp+ with a headgasket.
His name is Mike R and he makes alot more than 550whp.



Good luck getting a track on the weekend. I will call MIR and Atco today and try to get more info.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:30 AM
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This is never going to go down, is it?
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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This is never going to go down, is it?
Be patient. It will happen. BTW, I LOVE your car!!!
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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this thread is priceless

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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Did some quick internet searching.

ATCO has a maximum of 15 cars allowed for a rental and charge $3000. I will call and see if we can get more but if you dont believe me read the link below. Does anyone know if they are strict in terms of roll cages?

http://www.atcorace.com/artman2/uplo...eement.prn.pdf

I know for a fact that MIR will cost ~$100/car if we get 32 cars (on a weekday) and I know they will allow more than 15 cars from personal experience. I will call MIR today and see if we could get a weekend.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jrcart
This is never going to go down, is it?

You are right guys from the east not going to midwest and midwest not going to east. The guys out west ask for MRI, ATCO and ET. You came out with hometown tracks and all hell broke loose

Juicee63 started this thread so he should rent the track he think is the fastest and anyone wants to go sign up.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GoDav AMG
You are right guys from the east not going to midwest and midwest not going to east. The guys out west ask for MRI, ATCO and ET. You came out with hometown tracks and all hell broke loose

Juicee63 started this thread so he should rent the track he think is the fastest and anyone wants to go sign up.
Please explain why it would make any sense at all to put a car on a trailer and go to the midwest to run SLOWER times than on the east coast
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Please explain why it would make any sense at all to put a car on a trailer and go to the midwest to run SLOWER times than on the east coast
I did not ask you to do that
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Please explain why it would make any sense at all to put a car on a trailer and go to the midwest to run SLOWER times than on the east coast
To accommodate the West Coast guys by meeting in the middle...

If they don't care, I don't care. I'll race anywhere.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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Thanks for checking,

We have the same 15 car max, but we also have private rentals 115.00 per car for up to 100 cars.

Once again I am talking about NOVEMBER 08 , I have started the thread early to hash out all ideas. I am not opposed to considering other tracks that have low elevation and 40-60 degree temps during the day.

From what I have seen, The East is fastest in terms of our cars. ChicagoX has some hellish fast passes on the Chicago, St Louis area tracks.

Maybe the guys in the Chicago area can go check out Gateway and bust off some sick runs, this may help sway many.

I am still waiting to hear from MBUSA in NJ and AMG. I really think a Benz driving event similar to the AMG challenge is the way to do this. Let them cover some of the costs.

One thing I know for certain is guys like Jakpro1, ROCKETW219, Chiromikey, Shawn, BlueMonster,Rudy, Roselv,and many others in the West are tired of never seeing 11.20's even the chance to crack 10.999 is reason to travel to a track that can be prepped professionally and have great air.

The guys in the East , Mid-west, South, can attend a track 4 days per week, out here you get to run 1 every few months or drive across the state to run against 100's of others. When you lose they simply say "Hope you had fun, buh bye now".

Anyway lets relax, keep it civil.

Ahmad ,
Thanks for checking.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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How about Brainard Intl? Awesome Road Course and Awesome Drag Strip and beautiful late spring early fall weather, even the summer months are pretty nice, for the most part.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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I am all up for November...
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Originally Posted by 573WHPCLS
How about Brainard Intl? Awesome Road Course and Awesome Drag Strip and beautiful late spring early fall weather, even the summer months are pretty nice, for the most part.

That track is great but it is too high for our N/A motors LOL... starting at 1200 feet would be painful.

I would like to stay at 600 feet or less.
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Originally Posted by juicee63
That track is great but it is too high for our N/A motors LOL... starting at 1200 feet would be painful.

I would like to stay at 600 feet or less.
LOL.... I would like to stay at 100 or less
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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LOL.... I would like to stay at 100 or less
ditto!
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Guys if the West or East doesn't want to travel that far for a one day event its totally understandable.....lets set up a LIVE FEED VIDEO and have it so it coincides with both places and we can do it best that way...

Your tracks are best for your N/A cars...while ours are best for our S/C cars(especially with the cooler weather)...there will be a N/A E63 going to US41 and you will see his times posted after and then you can judge if you all want to meet out here.

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Originally Posted by juicee63
Thanks for checking,

We have the same 15 car max, but we also have private rentals 115.00 per car for up to 100 cars.

Once again I am talking about NOVEMBER 08 , I have started the thread early to hash out all ideas. I am not opposed to considering other tracks that have low elevation and 40-60 degree temps during the day.

From what I have seen, The East is fastest in terms of our cars. ChicagoX has some hellish fast passes on the Chicago, St Louis area tracks.

Maybe the guys in the Chicago area can go check out Gateway and bust off some sick runs, this may help sway many.

I am still waiting to hear from MBUSA in NJ and AMG. I really think a Benz driving event similar to the AMG challenge is the way to do this. Let them cover some of the costs.

One thing I know for certain is guys like Jakpro1, ROCKETW219, Chiromikey, Shawn, BlueMonster,Rudy, Roselv,and many others in the West are tired of never seeing 11.20's even the chance to crack 10.999 is reason to travel to a track that can be prepped professionally and have great air.

The guys in the East , Mid-west, South, can attend a track 4 days per week, out here you get to run 1 every few months or drive across the state to run against 100's of others. When you lose they simply say "Hope you had fun, buh bye now".

Anyway lets relax, keep it civil.

Ahmad ,
Thanks for checking.

I have a concern regarding having MBUSA involved in this event. Is there a possibility that someone could show up and write down VINs? I would hate for us to be voided in the system. If we show up running 11's, wont they be just a little suspicious? Just my .02!

BTW-don't really care where we go, as long as there are GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD FOOD & PRETTY WOMEN!

Let's cease the bickering.
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If we're going to pay the money and invest the time, I'd like it to be at the BEST track possible
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