Improviz

Then I would humbly suggest you read the following few posts:

This:

And this:

550 posts to his credit, yet for some reason he vanished after this.

Also search for "ClayJ", in this forum.

Also look at Eric Fletcher's history over at Audiworld.com.

People lie.

jangy

Exactly. This thread went from being a simple shout from me to a personal back and forth. We haven't been OT in a while. I can't help what happened, but I also remember when some E55 guys threw on the Eis Race exhaust or cut out the cats / mufflers / resonators thinking they were adding power. Instead, they lost backpressure and lost anywhere from 20hp to overheating. I've had my car setup wrong many times. how about when i came to fontana without the Airbox tubes?

jangy

I can't wait. I'm more intpo racing any MB than a vette, but it will be nice to guage them.

jangy

jangy

What is with all the love? Are you just the truth police on routine duty or is there some Ohio connection? If all you want to prove is that I lied, OK. I'm a liar. That won't change my relationships on this site.

jangy

Asked again

jangy

He can afford much more than some $75k car and I'm sure he has a computer. When will you understand I don't care what you believe. I've spent 4 years here digging into my car and taking pics and vids of all kinds of stuff that were questioned. But why would I waste energy on something just to "prove" a 30 minute run on I5?

jangy

Humbly? Dude, you are really digging. Bring it. Bring it deep. You are so up the worng the tree and I'd love to see whose house has stronger glass. It really does make me wonder what your agenda is. Either way, troll on.

Thericker

Jangy how bout our lil free-way runs? Say this up coming wknd? Sat 14th?
You should deff beat me but I'd love to see by how muchI'm thinkin' not a whole lot on the freeway w/my 600 torque and our cars are pretty close in curb weight about 200 odd lbs in differece between us. Will run from say 50-145 or soooo

ps..Deff race before noon say 10-11:00am in LA, it'll be a blast then we can grab a beer at hooters afterwards

jangy

Bro, i still don't have my car back and have to be in Fontana on friday with Drs on.

JAYCL600

heeeeee's back, welcome

ChicagoX

Eric Fletcher?

Zlicious

So, I am looking forward to our race this weekend..

Jrcart, let me know if we are still on for this weekend.

iceman4149

I appreciate you taking the time to give an answer and clarify.

How else would you want me to characterize it? you where the one to suggest the bet in the first place, right? You may have not intended to make the bet yourself, and that's fine, but I don't see the point in suggesting it, if you were not intending on make in it yourself, or if you did not have some one lined up already.

I agree that this is not the type of vehicle you just jump in and race, that's why I suggested you found a good driver to do it.

To say that you don't care "*that* much" about it, is disingenuous at best, just by the shear number of post and attacks towards jangy, suggest different.

When I bought mine in 2006, they where 15K and change plus tax, and I agree with you I'm also a watch afficionado and could spent hours talking about them.

It was not, and thank you for taking me at my word.

You did explain, but not after I asked you 3 times about it, and jangy said I would not get an answer from you, any reasonable person could infer from your original suggestion, that you were the one willing to bet, again I don't see the point in even bringing it up unless *you* are the one willing to do it, it's pointless, when in fact you were trying to use the *bet* to make yours.

And you can, you are entitled to your opinion, and I guess yes I'm and all time lurker, for years I've enjoyed other ppls post as entertainment at the office, or when I'm sitting on the toilet in the mornings, still that does not take away the validity to my questions, that you chose to ignore for sometime on the basis that I was a Noob, as if that makes them less valid....


Agreed.

Improviz

There is a difference between "making" a bet and "arranging" a bet, and as I have explained to you multiple times now, I was attempting to do the latter. As to the reason for suggesting it, I already made that clear as well: to entice the Z06 owners, who at that time had not responded to requests to run him, to run him.

Hmm, well, maybe they're a rarity among Swiss timepieces and have dropped their MSRP since they came out; all of the watches I know of have gone *up*, in no small part thanks to the collapsing dollar, since '06....in any case, luxury bazaar has one brand spanking new for $11.6K, which they list as its MSRP:
http://www.theluxurybazaar.com/timep...PAM_00253.html

Otoh, maybe they have increased in value since then: this Panerai price list from 2006 lists it at $9100:
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/p...rices2006.html

Yeah....well, you know, there are watch forums too. timezone is quite good.

Well, in fact that's what I was, and still am, attempting to do, along w/juicee63. I'm not, however, going to take the trouble to rent one (assuming anyone is crazy enough to rent one ungoverned in any case, which I kind of doubt, but stranger things have happened...), and I'm not about to leave a pregnant wife and fly out to CA to run some blowhard, thank you very much.

No, I think it's disengenuous to mischaracterize what I've said, repeatedly, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy I've extended to you, taking me at my word, and NOT taking my words out of context. I plainly said that I don't care about it THAT much wrt taking time out of my schedule to fly out to CA, which is a far cry from spending a few moments in front of a computer taking the **** out of someone who was exceedingly rude to numerous upstanding and longstanding members of this forum, which is why I got into it in the first place.

You're welcome, and I hope you'll try a bit harder to do the same for me.

Which is totally false, as I shall show momentarily...

Well, believe whatever you want. As I said, there is a difference between making and arranging a bet, which you seem to have a great deal of difficulty comprehending, and I'm tired of explaining it to your deaf ears.

Well, that's a matter of opinion, and of confusing "arranging" with "making", and quite frankly, I think I've fully explained myself on this matter, and really don't intend to spend my time engaging in countering creative interpretations and/or hairsplitting.

So, I won't....either take me at my word or don't, but I've wasted enough time on this little tangential sub-thread belaboring this point with you. The fact is that I never said that I would bet anyone, nor did I "agree" to any bet or monetary amount, as I will also show momentarily.

I ignored ONE of them because I had already answered it, as I shall show in a moment.

Further, your first post asked me if I would be racing jangy for "the agreed upon" amount, when 1) I don't own an Z06, and 2) I never "agreed" to *ANY* amount. And I didn't ignore it, I responded to it, and have responded to every subsequent post you've made. You asked why I hadn't set it up; I responded that I had tried at two different 'vette forums and found no takers, prior to and after a bet was discussed.

You then ignored this response and said that you thought it was me who was going to set it up, which I found slightly annoying since I'd already said that I'd tried and found no takers, so yes, given that I already answered your question, twice, I didn't bother answering it a third time. You quoted and responded to a post where I had explicitly stated that I had no intention of personally betting, and you still continued to badger me about supposedly making a bet when I'd told you quite clearly that I hadn't.

So if anyone here has been ignoring responses, it is you, as I explicitly told you, not once but twice, that I HAD tried to set up the race with the guys on the Corvette forums, and that they hadn't responded. You continued to insist that I HAD made a bet after I had stated quite explicitly that I HADN'T.

So please, spare me the sanctimony. Here is the train of posts, let's see who is ignoring whom:
So, there I explicitly stated that I hadn't agreed to personally making a bet...which you ignored, and continue to ignore.



So, there I explain that I had tried to set it up...and what do you do? Totally IGNORE it and press on, re-asking the same question I had just answered:



Since I had already answered your question, yes, I ignored it. Which, playing the pot, you get rather indignant with the kettle:


Yes, as anyone can see by reading the above, I ignored ONE question, namely the one that I had already answered, twice. And responded as such:
So, what did you do? IGNORE the fact that I had addressed the "bet", by explicitly telling you that I hadn't made one, and implicitly telling you that nobody from the 'vette forums had made one either:
But even after that, I answered you AGAIN:
So, what do you do in response: IGNORE my earlier explicit statement that I hadn't (and wasn't planning on) betting:
Again, I explained:
And again, you IGNORED:

So, there you have it. I answered your questions about attempting to set up the runs, and told you explicitly multiple times that I wasn't making a bet.

YOU IGNORED BOTH ANSWERS, MULTIPLE TIMES.

And continue to ignore them, instead attempting to force a narrative that the facts do not support onto the thread.

So please, spare me the sanctimonious BS. There's one person who's ignoring here, and it certainly isn't me, and the facts show it.

Amen.

JAYCL600

haha remind me to NEVER get into an argument with you man.

Vic55

Have I said this already... I love this thread

iceman4149

I'm glad you can differentiate between the two, because I'm about to make my point, since you though you where going to "tell me" and smack me down with this clever dance that you just did above.


Umm, I bought mine in the DR where we have a 30% import tax on luxury goods, on top of the regular sales tax, but by the way this units where made in limited editions of 500 and if you look at this link http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...Lhr3JYClNZdYHA where the watch original msrp is 11k and change and now you have to pay 16k for it....

Maybe you should pay closer attention to the description, where it tells you that this is a FLOOR model with wear and small scratches.

Thanks, I'll have to check it out


NOTED.


You know I'm going to take you at your word, because you extended me the same courtesy, but not before I show you exactly what YOU SAID.

Look on...

You did say this right? Notice the "Wanna put money on it?" and the "Because I'll bet", that does sound or reads like you are the one TRYING TO MAKE THE BET. Right?

You want me to take you at your word? Fine, done, but then you try to admonish me below, right?


You are right, I will try harder the next time.



No is not false, if you had given me a straight answer and not a dance around, like "I was trying to arrange", instead of what you really said, which was "I BET" then I would have not ignored your previous answers.

So from now on, be careful, when you are trying to make your point, that you are really clear on what you really say, because the above quote is really clear in my eyes.

Have a good day sir,

I'm done going in circles.

MB_Forever

Me too

Improviz

irst, let me visit Panerai again:

Essentialwatches.com are in Beverly Hills, and price their stuff accordingly...there are plenty of other places where you can get it for $thousands less.

The watch you said you paid $17K for is is a PAM 253, limited edition of 500 units as you said. You can see it here, on Panerai's website: http://www.panerai.com/s_special_edi...categoria=5824

Both of the links I have above are for limited-edition PAM 253s, and both say so explicitly, meaning that you either did not bother to read them or are being, as you put it, "disengenuous" about their content. The Panerai price list from 2006 that I linked to ( [color]blue]here it is again[/color] ) lists the PAM 253 at $9100 US. Quoting directly from the price list, under the SPECIAL EDITION section:
Luxury Bazaar, the other site I listed, has one, brand new, at $11.2K. The other site has one which is shop worn for $9100. Both of these are a far, far cry from $16K. And so what if one is a FLOOR model; a FLOOR model isn't going to be sold at half price, and just goes to show how overinflated the site you linked to is to try and get $16K for one.

Here's a used one for $9600:
http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=123196&rid=0

Here's a brand new one which sold for $11400:
http://www.watches24seven.com/galler...g2_itemId=6425

And that is in addition to the ones I listed before, making four.

So, plenty of examples out there for far less than $16...and as I said, typically Panerais sell for close to list, even used. I looked at a used Luminor 8 Days model a few weeks ago, and it was selling used for list price, and this is not a limited edition....anyway, if you paid $16K for it, you overpaid, even with a 30% excise tax. Congratulations. Instead of getting a good timepiece that appreciates, you overpaid and can now sell it for what you paid for it in Beverly Hills, far less elsewhere. I prefer to make money on my watches, but whatver floats your boat.

More sophistry...if you call posting all of the exchages we've had thus far and illustrating how you 1) dishonestly accused me of failing to respond to your questions, and 2) IGNORED my answers, then turned around and whined when I ignored a question that I already answered twice, "dancing", then by all means, I must be Fred Astaire.

As I said: I got tired of your baseless, false accusations, and so I posted them so people could see who was "ignoring" whom, and the post trail makes that abundantly clear. Sorry that bothers you.

It's quite amusing, actually, to see you twist words and take them out of context. You take the metaphoric phrase "Because I'll bet we can round up some of those "slow" Z06s to run you", then rip the partial phrase "Because I'll bet" out of it, totally out of context, and then cite this as "proof" that *I* made a bet. Which would actually be funny were it not so weak and pathetic. Talk about grasping at straws; you even had to manufacture the straw!

This contextual mangling is evidence enough of either serious comprehension issues, or serious intellectual dishonesty; whichever it is, it's clear that a "fair and balanced" discussion is the last thing on your mind here.

As to the rest, I posted the entire sub-thread, people can read the posts and decide for themselves. I've wasted far too much time with you already. Au revoir.

iceman4149

Touche my friend, I wonder on how many ways you can interpret or twist the phrase "I'LL BET", but as you said earlier we have wasted too much time debating this, and we can let the rest of the people following this thread decide.

And by the way..... My comprehension is just fine in 2 different languages, and if by contextual mangling you mean quoting you word for word, and then telling me that what I just read somehow is supposed to mean something else, then I guess you are absolutely right.

Improviz

You could've fooled me!

sack5000

This is crazy, I'm not coming back, I'm outa here. Someone here is related to this man.

Vic55

I am doing now what I should have done a long time ago and that's closing this thead.

Time to move on guys and for those of you that are setting up a race/run use the PM function- its much safer