Official Poser Sighting Thread
08-19-2011, 12:50 PM
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08-19-2011, 03:10 PM
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Don't waste your time with these people and don't waste time trying to figure it out. It's been going on since the dawn of consumerism. And not just with cars, but with all material things (watches, running shoes, handbags, clothing, sunglasses, etc..)
Better yet, everybody should debadge their cars (I did) and then the only cars left with AMG badges will be fakes, since the real ones won't have any badges at all
But seriously, the only real damage is when resellers put on the badges to get a sale and a higher price. That's fraud and should be dealt with legally. A couple of members here claim that the local dealerships are doing that. That's consumer fraud and is illegal.
Better yet, everybody should debadge their cars (I did) and then the only cars left with AMG badges will be fakes, since the real ones won't have any badges at all
But seriously, the only real damage is when resellers put on the badges to get a sale and a higher price. That's fraud and should be dealt with legally. A couple of members here claim that the local dealerships are doing that. That's consumer fraud and is illegal.
08-19-2011, 03:33 PM
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Don't waste your time with these people and don't waste time trying to figure it out. It's been going on since the dawn of consumerism. And not just with cars, but with all material things (watches, running shoes, handbags, clothing, sunglasses, etc..)
Better yet, everybody should debadge their cars (I did) and then the only cars left with AMG badges will be fakes, since the real ones won't have any badges at all
But seriously, the only real damage is when resellers put on the badges to get a sale and a higher price. That's fraud and should be dealt with legally. A couple of members here claim that the local dealerships are doing that. That's consumer fraud and is illegal.
Better yet, everybody should debadge their cars (I did) and then the only cars left with AMG badges will be fakes, since the real ones won't have any badges at all
But seriously, the only real damage is when resellers put on the badges to get a sale and a higher price. That's fraud and should be dealt with legally. A couple of members here claim that the local dealerships are doing that. That's consumer fraud and is illegal.
You reminded me of a kid I know who said he got a killer deal on a Toyota Supra, car was a replica of the Twin Turbo Model, I guess he is just retarded cause he bought it thinking its a Twin Turbo without ever looking under the hood. This was year and years back but still what a MO
08-19-2011, 04:02 PM
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Here is a good example of what my video will be like only this will be with a AMG poser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJgZWGO3VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJgZWGO3VI
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08-19-2011, 04:11 PM
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Does anyone know why these people do this? I just don't understand. Do they have any idea what AMG even stands for or what it is all about? Do they even know the difference between, a non AMG model and their car? I can't seem to understand. This happens to a lot of cars: BMW M Cars, Corvette Z06s, Ford Mustangs, Camaros, and so on.
I can't seem to understand, next time I see a person that is a poser I will confront them about it on camera and post it on here, thats a MBWORLD promise. I want to see what these guys have to say about putting AMG logos all over their car.
Here is a good example of what my video will be like only this will be with a AMG poser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJgZWGO3VI
I can't seem to understand, next time I see a person that is a poser I will confront them about it on camera and post it on here, thats a MBWORLD promise. I want to see what these guys have to say about putting AMG logos all over their car.
Here is a good example of what my video will be like only this will be with a AMG poser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJgZWGO3VI
08-19-2011, 07:42 PM
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It was two other MBWorld members here that claimed dealers were doing this, not me. And they claimed that people who don't know what an AMG is were paying more because the dealership said the car was a better car, etc., since it was an 'AMG.' And they claimed it was one of the biggest MB franchise dealers in LA (and an authorized AMG Performance Center dealership): MB Beverly Hills. (The other guy just said it was a "well known dealership" but implied that all the dealerships in LA do it, too.)
Of course, anybody looking for an AMG specifically will know what they are doing, but there are also lots of people looking to buy a regular E or S Class. If the dealer is telling them that the one they're looking at is a 'special AMG' car, and charges them more or uses it to make the sale, then it's fraud, pure and simple.
btw, I talked to the SM of MB BH and they said they do not do this and don't condone it.
Of course, anybody looking for an AMG specifically will know what they are doing, but there are also lots of people looking to buy a regular E or S Class. If the dealer is telling them that the one they're looking at is a 'special AMG' car, and charges them more or uses it to make the sale, then it's fraud, pure and simple.
btw, I talked to the SM of MB BH and they said they do not do this and don't condone it.
08-22-2011, 11:23 AM
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08-22-2011, 03:07 PM
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08-22-2011, 04:02 PM
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It was two other MBWorld members here that claimed dealers were doing this, not me. And they claimed that people who don't know what an AMG is were paying more because the dealership said the car was a better car, etc., since it was an 'AMG.' And they claimed it was one of the biggest MB franchise dealers in LA (and an authorized AMG Performance Center dealership): MB Beverly Hills. (The other guy just said it was a "well known dealership" but implied that all the dealerships in LA do it, too.)
btw, I talked to the SM of MB BH and they said they do not do this and don't condone it.
btw, I talked to the SM of MB BH and they said they do not do this and don't condone it.
Ive also seen an enormous amount of CLS 500's with the AMG badge as well which leads me to believe the dealer must be doing this and not douchebag posers even though it is Miami.
MBUSA could car less about putting a label on a car. They are not going to revoke a franchise that moves product like the big comglomerates such as Penske or Autonation.
08-22-2011, 04:43 PM
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This is even better...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzgb...eature=related
08-22-2011, 04:46 PM
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08-23-2011, 03:07 PM
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Its well known that MBUSA allowed the dealer to label the old W209 CLK430's to be badged AMGs by the dealer. They did have a AMG body kit.
Ive also seen an enormous amount of CLS 500's with the AMG badge as well which leads me to believe the dealer must be doing this and not douchebag posers even though it is Miami.
MBUSA could car less about putting a label on a car. They are not going to revoke a franchise that moves product like the big comglomerates such as Penske or Autonation.
Ive also seen an enormous amount of CLS 500's with the AMG badge as well which leads me to believe the dealer must be doing this and not douchebag posers even though it is Miami.
MBUSA could car less about putting a label on a car. They are not going to revoke a franchise that moves product like the big comglomerates such as Penske or Autonation.
Anyway, MBUSA said that they have never promoted their dealer franchises to put AMG badges on the CLK 430 or any other non-AMG car. The CLK came with the complete AMG sport package but is not an AMG and was never marketed, sold, or promoted as such. They never "allowed them" to label or sell it as an AMG. They were very emphatic about this. They said it's a car forum myth. Cars that showed up with badges were used cars from the cheap used car lots and not from the MBUSA franchised dealerships.
And they said any dealership, no matter how large, can lose their franchise if they misrepresent MBUSA products for financial gain (just like Jon said.) They were pretty adamant about that. If the car is MBUSA new inventory, a MBUSA CPO car, and/or being financed by MBUSA or leased by them, and is misrepresented as a different product, then that's not looked upon favorably at all. They did say that if the dealership has purchased a used car (as trade-in, etc.) and it is not part of the MBUSA dealership network of CPO inventory, then it's possible that it may have already had a badge on it. The dealer isn't 'officially' required to take them off. But if the dealer badges the car and/or attempts to sell it as a different product for profitable gain, then that's definitely not condoned according to MBUSA's relationship with the dealer network.
And if anybody can show proof of such fraud, then MBUSA definitely wants to know about it. They said it's hard to monitor stuff like this because the dealers are independent franchises. But there are specific rules for the franchises, and they appreciate any consumer input. And obviously used car lots don't count. They can do anything they want. And that's where this AMG badging is really coming from, esp in places like Miami and LA. There are lots of those used "exotic" and "fantasy" crappy car dealerships selling higher end cars to people who can't afford them in the first place. And a lot more people are now buying used from non-MB dealerships as the prices keep dropping (newbies are popping up every day on this forum.)
I'm not naive about fraud and don't put it past certain businesses to do stuff like this. But when people come on forums and start posting hearsay or things they read on internet forums (Google=a cheap and questionable education), I just want the facts and the proof so I can choose who to deal with in the MBUSA franchise network.
08-23-2011, 04:08 PM
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08-23-2011, 04:28 PM
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The problem with the MB "Franchise" situation is that they are all independent contractors and there is very little MBUSA can do to monitor and police them. I've had first-hand experience lately with the relatively small toolset MBUSA has when it comes to dealing with a misbehaving franchise.
Then of course, when my MBUSA rep had the guy in charge of allocation for California call my stealer, oh boy did customer service improve.
Then of course, when my MBUSA rep had the guy in charge of allocation for California call my stealer, oh boy did customer service improve.
I called MBUSA after reading Moosejaw's post. I've dealt with one of the dealers that two other people claim is fraudulently misrepresenting MBUSA products. I know others who buy from them, too. And I've recommended the dealership to colleagues. Plus that dealership is one of the few authorized AMG Performance Centers in the US. I want to know for certain if they are dishonest and engaged in fraudulent consumer transactions and confront them about it.
Anyway, MBUSA said that they have never promoted their dealer franchises to put AMG badges on the CLK 430 or any other non-AMG car. The CLK came with the complete AMG sport package but is not an AMG and was never marketed, sold, or promoted as such. They never "allowed them" to label or sell it as an AMG. They were very emphatic about this. They said it's a car forum myth. Cars that showed up with badges were used cars from the cheap used car lots and not from the MBUSA franchised dealerships.
And they said any dealership, no matter how large, can lose their franchise if they misrepresent MBUSA products for financial gain (just like Jon said.) They were pretty adamant about that. If the car is MBUSA new inventory, a MBUSA CPO car, and/or being financed by MBUSA or leased by them, and is misrepresented as a different product, then that's not looked upon favorably at all. They did say that if the dealership has purchased a used car (as trade-in, etc.) and it is not part of the MBUSA dealership network of CPO inventory, then it's possible that it may have already had a badge on it. The dealer isn't 'officially' required to take them off. But if the dealer badges the car and/or attempts to sell it as a different product for profitable gain, then that's definitely not condoned according to MBUSA's relationship with the dealer network.
And if anybody can show proof of such fraud, then MBUSA definitely wants to know about it. They said it's hard to monitor stuff like this because the dealers are independent franchises. But there are specific rules for the franchises, and they appreciate any consumer input. And obviously used car lots don't count. They can do anything they want. And that's where this AMG badging is really coming from, esp in places like Miami and LA. There are lots of those used "exotic" and "fantasy" crappy car dealerships selling higher end cars to people who can't afford them in the first place. And a lot more people are now buying used from non-MB dealerships as the prices keep dropping (newbies are popping up every day on this forum.)
I'm not naive about fraud and don't put it past certain businesses to do stuff like this. But when people come on forums and start posting hearsay or things they read on internet forums (Google=a cheap and questionable education), I just want the facts and the proof so I can choose who to deal with in the MBUSA franchise network.
Anyway, MBUSA said that they have never promoted their dealer franchises to put AMG badges on the CLK 430 or any other non-AMG car. The CLK came with the complete AMG sport package but is not an AMG and was never marketed, sold, or promoted as such. They never "allowed them" to label or sell it as an AMG. They were very emphatic about this. They said it's a car forum myth. Cars that showed up with badges were used cars from the cheap used car lots and not from the MBUSA franchised dealerships.
And they said any dealership, no matter how large, can lose their franchise if they misrepresent MBUSA products for financial gain (just like Jon said.) They were pretty adamant about that. If the car is MBUSA new inventory, a MBUSA CPO car, and/or being financed by MBUSA or leased by them, and is misrepresented as a different product, then that's not looked upon favorably at all. They did say that if the dealership has purchased a used car (as trade-in, etc.) and it is not part of the MBUSA dealership network of CPO inventory, then it's possible that it may have already had a badge on it. The dealer isn't 'officially' required to take them off. But if the dealer badges the car and/or attempts to sell it as a different product for profitable gain, then that's definitely not condoned according to MBUSA's relationship with the dealer network.
And if anybody can show proof of such fraud, then MBUSA definitely wants to know about it. They said it's hard to monitor stuff like this because the dealers are independent franchises. But there are specific rules for the franchises, and they appreciate any consumer input. And obviously used car lots don't count. They can do anything they want. And that's where this AMG badging is really coming from, esp in places like Miami and LA. There are lots of those used "exotic" and "fantasy" crappy car dealerships selling higher end cars to people who can't afford them in the first place. And a lot more people are now buying used from non-MB dealerships as the prices keep dropping (newbies are popping up every day on this forum.)
I'm not naive about fraud and don't put it past certain businesses to do stuff like this. But when people come on forums and start posting hearsay or things they read on internet forums (Google=a cheap and questionable education), I just want the facts and the proof so I can choose who to deal with in the MBUSA franchise network.
08-23-2011, 06:22 PM
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Yeah, the dealer who is doing this is not stupid. They are not going to write on the bill of sale "2007 S550 AMG". They rely on the consumer to be stupid.
