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Old 12-20-2010, 06:19 PM
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Starting to turn into a BMW vs Mercedes showdown which is unfortunate as both have excellent cars. Started with fanboy rant on the M5 over the E55, which there is nothing wrong with as I expect a few people to be biased.

This could go on forever............................
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Stage 3 2001 b5 s4, Full bolt on 2007 E92 335i
Originally Posted by SMP
You seem to have intimate knowledge about that car. Do you currently own one or did you ever own one? Have you taken it personally around the 'Ring and achieved anything close to the lap times published? Have you ever owned or driven a CLK63 BS on a road course?

I'd like to hear from someone like you, with vast amounts of hands on knowledge, how these cars compare at the limit around a road course.

BTW, no bias here

I think you are getting me wrong here. I am in no way saying the CSL is a better car than the CLK BS, and no i have never driven a CSL as i live in the United States. Just going off things i have read/heard about the csl. the only reason i brought it up (as well as the GTS) was because that one guy was saying that bmw could never match the performance of a clk black, thats all. and no, i have never owned a BS or driven it on a track but i have driven it for a full day around Los Angeles (no comparison obviously).

And yes, Merc is capable of creating cars that handle better than BMW's (slr, gtr, clk black, sls etc) but for the normal cars they produce, the bmw counterpart is always sportier in terms of suspension, so much so that it can be felt in every day driving
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AklFE4Zi964
Old 12-20-2010, 09:08 PM
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Both cars are excellent machines. This has always been a rivalry...I am dying to see one day, a track rental AMG Vs. M... that would be crazy!v
Old 12-20-2010, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Johncy2000
OK then explain this video. A modded E55 180 pulley, Heat exchanger, I/C pump, headers, 82mm throttle body, and tune will run with a chipped CL65. This CL65 beat a 5.8 Stroked M6 easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLpEMa5Uy2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHHHchapHM
Okay let's keep going since you insist...that other poster was right, this will never end :-/

Modded E55s I admit are VERY fast especially when with full bolt ons. The thing is..I don't see the vid where the full bolt on E55 runs even with the chipped CL65.

As for the videos... I hate to beat more dead horses here but it's a drag race. Not the M6's exact strength Although I did see the race till the end where I believe the CL65 had a higher overall speed it was only 3 km difference. Hypothetically, if they had kept going further, the M6 in my mind would no doubt taken over.

Not going to lie but I will admit, a chipped V12TT 65 AMG is a beast/straightline racing monster. So that's that.
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Originally Posted by a4rings


Since you love the nurburing so much:

e92 m3 GTS: 7:48
e46 m3 CSL: 7:50
CLK DTM: 7:54
CLK BS: 8:02
e92 m3: 8:05
m6 e63: 8:05
e46 m3: 8:22
You forgot CLK BS 7:45 and SL55 8:06

Why exclude it?

7:45* -- 159.48 km/h - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series, 507 PS/1760 kg (*mfr.) according to www.caranddriver.com/previews/12956/first-drive-mercedes-clk63-amg-black-series.html

8:06 --- 152.59 km/h - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)

Why you editing 8:07 to 8:05
8:07.76 152.04 km/h - BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow_E60_M5
Okay let's keep going since you insist...that other poster was right, this will never end :-/

Modded E55s I admit are VERY fast especially when with full bolt ons. The thing is..I don't see the vid where the full bolt on E55 runs even with the chipped CL65.

As for the videos... I hate to beat more dead horses here but it's a drag race. Not the M6's exact strength Although I did see the race till the end where I believe the CL65 had a higher overall speed it was only 3 km difference. Hypothetically, if they had kept going further, the M6 in my mind would no doubt taken over.

Not going to lie but I will admit, a chipped V12TT 65 AMG is a beast/straightline racing monster. So that's that.
That BMW is 800 pounds lighter and they ran to 160..what long run ROFL
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SL55, S500
Originally Posted by a4rings
Give the m5 a break guys, its All motor and .4 liters smaller (although the e55 was introduced 3 years earlier 2002 vs 2005) Honestly 55k drivers should be picking on modded 335i's which are much better matches, especially 0-130 where both cars shine
335i is nothing but a turbo honda civic, I wouldn't be caught dead in that car if it even trapped 150

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Geld
335i is nothing but a turbo honda civic, I wouldn't be caught dead in that car if it even trapped 150
I disagree with this statement 100%. The e9x (especially the e92) looks fantastic, has a nice interior, and is fast to boot, STOCK. It's one of the easiest to mod for power too. And just because it's cheap to mod doesn't make it a civic.
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I disagree with this statement 100%. The e9x (especially the e92) looks fantastic, has a nice interior, and is fast to boot, STOCK. It's one of the easiest to mod for power too. And just because it's cheap to mod doesn't make it a civic.
I've looked at the w211 e55 and e92 335 for way over a year prior to making a purchase. The two cars are in completely different leagues..its actually pretty comical to me now that I considered the e92 prior to the AMG. And I very well know what the 335i is capable of blah blah.

Funny that when I finally found the right e55, there was a new e92 sitting next to it in then lot, 6-speed too. I grinned and never looked back again.



As for the rest of the thread, its pretty awesome lol, and the rivalry will never end E55 ftw!
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Stage 3 2001 b5 s4, Full bolt on 2007 E92 335i
Originally Posted by Das Geld
You forgot CLK BS 7:45 and SL55 8:06

Why exclude it?

7:45* -- 159.48 km/h - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series, 507 PS/1760 kg (*mfr.) according to www.caranddriver.com/previews/12956/first-drive-mercedes-clk63-amg-black-series.html

8:06 --- 152.59 km/h - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)

Why you editing 8:07 to 8:05
8:07.76 152.04 km/h - BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
i was just going off wikipedia, i didnt scour the internet looking for times. i do admit that i accidentally typed the m6 time down wrong
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E55 2006 / CLS55 / S450 / Jag XKR2011
Originally Posted by a4rings
Don't be dumb man, you obviously read my post and saw that i said MODDED 335i's. there are plenty of bolt on 335i's Tune/downpipe/IC/Intake/meth cars running 123-126mph traps which is pretty in line with most modded 55k cars and although there are no recoded 130+ mph runs like ive seen some 55k cars, im sure the guys with upgraded turbos would run just fine with full bolt on 55k cars including headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTRgNYPNibE

now don't get me wrong, i just sold my 335i and im looking for a clean cls55 but i just like to be an unbiased car enthusiast and i hate when people are brand ******. If i was on the BMW forum and saw those clowns saying an e39 m5 is as fast as an e55 I would defend the MERC.
Are you talking 335i moded vs a stock e55 ??? look who is the dumb here, no 335i modded can defead a fully modded e55k
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2005 e55 black on black 07 e63 po30
look at the end of the day both cars have there ups and downs it all
comes down to what you like and what your using it for for
every day car the e55 wins by far because of the trans and the ride
my e55 rides likes like a dream compared to my friends m5 his car is a better
road track car an d the e55 is a super fast hi end drag car
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Stage 3 2001 b5 s4, Full bolt on 2007 E92 335i
Originally Posted by CharlyE500
Are you talking 335i moded vs a stock e55 ??? look who is the dumb here, no 335i modded can defead a fully modded e55k
you are ill informed my friend. with stock turbo they have run up to 126mph and with n02 hit 132mph and upgraded turbos have just started rolling out which should let them run with the top dog 55k cars. did you not see the video i posted of the asr 135i running with the modded gtr's and 997tt?
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How did this thread go from the M5 to the half of a BMW i335. What a little turd car, I dont care how fast they are.
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How did this thread go from the M5 to the half of a BMW i335. What a little turd car, I dont care how fast they are.
Lmao. Thank you for that.
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Originally Posted by a4rings
you are ill informed my friend. with stock turbo they have run up to 126mph and with n02 hit 132mph and upgraded turbos have just started rolling out which should let them run with the top dog 55k cars. did you not see the video i posted of the asr 135i running with the modded gtr's and 997tt?
not even a 10's car ! E55K fully modded is 10's
And who gives the SHIIT about 135 ????
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Thread was originally about a stock E55 vs a stock M5, which in itself is not much of a topic unless people want it to be as it is so easy to extract serious additional power in the E55 compared to a M5 with the same money.
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Personally, I think both are fantastic cars and I would love to have both of them !! , But you have to ring the **** out of the M5 to get it to really go but when you do that, they really do go, and the sound, OH the sound,

I love taking my customers out to lunch in the E55 and watching their face's when I roll into a second gear pull, Priceless !! the grunt and the quality is what sold me on the 55 and im sure I made the right choice.

On a side note, I got a chance to have a ride in a very fast 996 GT2 last week, trust me when I say this thing make's both of them look slow, LOL !! My hands were shaking when I got out of the car.
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On a side note, I got a chance to have a ride in a very fast 996 GT2 last week, trust me when I say this thing make's both of them look slow, LOL !! My hands were shaking when I got out of the car.
There are some 55's that would make you shake a bit.. i doubt one of those 996's even with tons of work would make my car look slow
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[/QUOTE] On a side note, I got a chance to have a ride in a very fast 996 GT2 last week, trust me when I say this thing make's both of them look slow, LOL !! My hands were shaking when I got out of the car.[/QUOTE]

My uncle has a 997 GT@ that is chipped and it is the fastest car I have ever been in. Porsche's are no joke and not to be messed with Unless you run 10's. lol

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Originally Posted by LOCO 05' E55
There are some 55's that would make you shake a bit.. i doubt one of those 996's even with tons of work would make my car look slow
Don't worry I've been in a few quick e55's and mine is no slouch, I'm no virgin to quick cars and I'm pretty sure this Porsche would eat you up and spit you out !! I will get the specs on it tomorrow,
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Don't worry I've been in a few quick e55's and mine is no slouch, I'm no virgin to quick cars and I'm pretty sure this Porsche would eat you up and spit you out !! I will get the specs on it tomorrow,
By specs you mean splits/timeslips i hope.. unless is a 10.3 to 9.99 car, eat and spit would be a pretty bold statement
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Originally Posted by LOCO 05' E55
By specs you mean splits/timeslips i hope.. unless is a 10.3 to 9.99 car, eat and spit would be a pretty bold statement
the p cars are no joke(turbo/GT2) when modded hard, but cost a great deal of coin
Thats just ET....mph is a different matter and if you were to do a high speed rolling race well

an other note would be if it had 4 wheel drive (meaning forget dig/low speed races with them on the streets

but our cars are family cars and theirs are purpose built sport cars apple vs orange argument

lets get back to the usual program...
Boo on M fanboys!
and ricer 335 with bolt on, limp mode driving after a few runs & turbo melting maps

its funny when i read this thread, as this was the usual behavior from the M crowd, but i see we have them deeply nested in our Mb ranks now...its an infestation!
just shows u they couldn't resist the torq ;p

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just smoked a modded M6 yesterday night. lol

really funny as the owner was insisting on racing again and again.

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