Weistec Engineering M113K Supercharger Upgrade...Progress
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+1 i can see for 63 engine since they don't have SC. Investing $10K to $13K for E55 which already have different SC set up not really worth it. For early W212 or late W211 63 worth to compare the new V8TT. I don't really think the E55 with this new SC kit will perform better 63 SC so keep in mind that the #HP won't be too high. (IMO)
which is why they should make the price competitive, why would you spend more on something that might be only a little better then the stock. dont get me wrong im not knocking Weistec buy if you do your HW you can get modds for cheap keep surfing the classifieds on this forum
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ok but you can get airmatic parts from arnott that are better then OEM that are less, plus airmatic came with the car and wasnt designed 9 years after the first M113k engine came out and mind you kleemann had a blower out way before and when the value was still high may not have been for the M113k that already had a blower. but why can you buy a whipple which is the same concept for a mustang which only $4g 
and whipples for mustangs can be priced much lower cuz they know they are going to sell 50,000 of them since +500,000 mustangs were produced.... not the case for MB e55's... they might sell 100 of these kits so prices are going to have to be a lot higher than whipple to make decent profit margins on waaaaaaaay smaller number of sales qty that they will have compared to a whipple kit
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fwiw, the 2007 audi RS4 s/c from APR is $15K and the 2006 bmw m3 s/c from vfengineering is $14K which are cars from same time period as ours are, so i dont expect a mercedes after market s/c to be much less then rivals.
and whipples for mustangs can be priced much lower cuz they know they are going to sell 50,000 of them since +500,000 mustangs were produced.... not the case for MB e55's... they might sell 100 of these kits so prices are going to have to be a lot higher than whipple to make decent profit margins on waaaaaaaay smaller number of sales qty that they will have compared to a whipple kit
and whipples for mustangs can be priced much lower cuz they know they are going to sell 50,000 of them since +500,000 mustangs were produced.... not the case for MB e55's... they might sell 100 of these kits so prices are going to have to be a lot higher than whipple to make decent profit margins on waaaaaaaay smaller number of sales qty that they will have compared to a whipple kit
ok but you missed the point and im not trying to argue with you, but those cars didnt come with a supercharger already stock, which can be bought as previously stated for around 5k if it broke, this thing alone better put out serious numbers with out need for any other mods to be worth it
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totally agree with you, the 07-11 63 engines its worth it, but we already have a super charger in. i agree numbers wont be much greater, but thats only my opion
which is why they should make the price competitive, why would you spend more on something that might be only a little better then the stock. dont get me wrong im not knocking Weistec buy if you do your HW you can get modds for cheap keep surfing the classifieds on this forum
which is why they should make the price competitive, why would you spend more on something that might be only a little better then the stock. dont get me wrong im not knocking Weistec buy if you do your HW you can get modds for cheap keep surfing the classifieds on this forum
to get to those levels with bolt on you would need LT headers + pulley + TB ($8K per ec site) and if you had someone install it would probalby run you $1K due to headers since you would have to modify exhaust, so $9K cost of bolt ons to get to theoretical HP of the Weistec S/C...
just for the shear fact of convience the weistec would be more then all the bolt-on's total cost , plus with the weistec you get a new improved intercooler
sure would 10K s/c on a benz be cool- yeah.... is it likely, no... the shear lack of number of cars and potential sales market alone pushes the price up drastically...
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ok but you missed the point and im not trying to argue with you, but those cars didnt come with a supercharger already stock, which can be bought as previously stated for around 5k if it broke, this thing alone better put out serious numbers with out need for any other mods to be worth it
same example can be said for toyota supras turbo upgrades
so basing price of HP upgrade on current cars market price is kinda irrelavant
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it is speculated with this s/c from weistec that it will boost hp 100-150 so lets do the fuzzy loose math.
to get to those levels with bolt on you would need LT headers + pulley + TB ($8K per ec site) and if you had someone install it would probalby run you $1K due to headers since you would have to modify exhaust, so $9K cost of bolt ons to get to theoretical HP of the Weistec S/C...
just for the shear fact of convience the weistec would be more then all the bolt-on's total cost
sure would 10K s/c on a benz be cool- yeah.... is it likely, no... the shear lack of number of cars and potential sales market alone pushes the price up drastically...
to get to those levels with bolt on you would need LT headers + pulley + TB ($8K per ec site) and if you had someone install it would probalby run you $1K due to headers since you would have to modify exhaust, so $9K cost of bolt ons to get to theoretical HP of the Weistec S/C...
just for the shear fact of convience the weistec would be more then all the bolt-on's total cost
sure would 10K s/c on a benz be cool- yeah.... is it likely, no... the shear lack of number of cars and potential sales market alone pushes the price up drastically...
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it is speculated with this s/c from weistec that it will boost hp 100-150 so lets do the fuzzy loose math.
to get to those levels with bolt on you would need LT headers + pulley + TB ($8K per ec site) and if you had someone install it would probalby run you $1K due to headers since you would have to modify exhaust, so $9K cost of bolt ons to get to theoretical HP of the Weistec S/C...
to get to those levels with bolt on you would need LT headers + pulley + TB ($8K per ec site) and if you had someone install it would probalby run you $1K due to headers since you would have to modify exhaust, so $9K cost of bolt ons to get to theoretical HP of the Weistec S/C...
I've probably missed other costs too, but this is the essence of how I think the Weistec kit will compete. It's already got a larger TB, new fuel rail, it's liquid cooled to control heat soak, includes their own tune, etc.... If you're already deep into mods ($$$) it will be hard to justify making this move, but for a guy with stock or near-stock E55 this could be a price-competitive option.
Some actual Weistec data would really be helpful right about now....all the speculation gets tiring after a while.
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lol no what im saying is if this supercharger is in the 13-15k not including install on a car that is worth about 20-25k, and god forbid your car is in a accident, and your car is totaled out and you wasted $ installing it and taking it out. now you might say well i wasted 5k putting the parts in but thats still not close to the 15+ you might have spent putting it in.
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lol no what im saying is if this supercharger is in the 13-15k not including install on a car that is worth about 20-25k, and god forbid your car is in a accident, and your car is totaled out and you wasted $ installing it and taking it out. now you might say well i wasted 5k putting the parts in but thats still not close to the 15+ you might have spent putting it in.
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lol you get what im saying though, im guilty of it too, investing so much in to an older car is risky especially when its easier to get totaled out in an accident
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The place doing my fuel rails is extremely interested in doing a whipple kit for these cars. Their big concerns are how many will sell to justify the R&D to build the kit and the pricing of the Weistec kit if it comes out. They also tossed around the twin turbo possibility but that would cost more obviously. They manufacture complete bolt on turbo kits for a lot of companies already. What price would you all be willing to pay for a complete bolt on system?
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It doesn't work that way typically.....
First, the company builds "one off" Whipple install for a rich customer.... Does all the development work, makes all the mistakes and figures out how to make it work properly.
Then they take it to the track, prove it can run "the number", and run dozens of passes without porting the oil pan in the process...
If all that works out, maybe it's worth creating a formal "kit" based off the parts from the development mule. (aka: the rich guys car)
Unless the company is already a well-known Mercedes tuner, I doubt anyone is going to hand over $10,000 in advance for the promise of something awesome later on....You gotta build it FIRST.
You'll get plenty of people on this forum telling you they are interested in a product at $xxxx price.....it doesn't mean anything until you've built the product and are ready to take orders. I'd bet that less than 10% of the people who were "interested" can be counted on to follow through with an actual order.
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First, the company builds "one off" Whipple install for a rich customer.... Does all the development work, makes all the mistakes and figures out how to make it work properly.
Then they take it to the track, prove it can run "the number", and run dozens of passes without porting the oil pan in the process...
If all that works out, maybe it's worth creating a formal "kit" based off the parts from the development mule. (aka: the rich guys car)
Unless the company is already a well-known Mercedes tuner, I doubt anyone is going to hand over $10,000 in advance for the promise of something awesome later on....You gotta build it FIRST.
You'll get plenty of people on this forum telling you they are interested in a product at $xxxx price.....it doesn't mean anything until you've built the product and are ready to take orders. I'd bet that less than 10% of the people who were "interested" can be counted on to follow through with an actual order.
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Your partially right. Their big concern is when you think you will sell 150 units and end up selling 25 and just break even. There's always a huge market until its time to spend the money and actually do it.
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ok here is better example for you then... the audi s4 b5 comes twin turbo from the factory... replacement ko3 oem turbos are $2500 ... the car cost about $8-10k these days.... the aftermarket turbo kits for these cars are $7-20K so 77% to 185% of the value of the car.
same example can be said for toyota supras turbo upgrades
so basing price of HP upgrade on current cars market price is kinda irrelavant
same example can be said for toyota supras turbo upgrades
so basing price of HP upgrade on current cars market price is kinda irrelavant
We are not building our heads or buying different ones, or our block, not buying headers, exhaust, etc, etc.
If you are going to try and compare than at least compare correctly. The bad to the bone Tial 770 turbo kit with inlets and fueling for the B5 S4 is $7900, that would be more "comparable" to a supercharger and tuning we would get. All that other "supporting mods" stuff doesn't fit in this equation.
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I have long tubes tune pulley H/E and I'm noy even close to 10k spent. Im maybe high 4's with labor
people need to realize you dont have to go and spend 10k for kleeman and i bet most everyone on this board knows this. so if they price this over 6k it will be crickets on the telephone. I would guess they would move maybe 25-35 units at 10k + now at 5-7k i could see them hit 100+. plus how long would it take for someone to reverse engineer it and come out with a more affordable version?
people need to realize you dont have to go and spend 10k for kleeman and i bet most everyone on this board knows this. so if they price this over 6k it will be crickets on the telephone. I would guess they would move maybe 25-35 units at 10k + now at 5-7k i could see them hit 100+. plus how long would it take for someone to reverse engineer it and come out with a more affordable version?
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I have long tubes tune pulley H/E and I'm noy even close to 10k spent. Im maybe high 4's with labor
people need to realize you dont have to go and spend 10k for kleeman and i bet most everyone on this board knows this. so if they price this over 6k it will be crickets on the telephone. I would guess they would move maybe 25-35 units at 10k + now at 5-7k i could see them hit 100+. plus how long would it take for someone to reverse engineer it and come out with a more affordable version?
people need to realize you dont have to go and spend 10k for kleeman and i bet most everyone on this board knows this. so if they price this over 6k it will be crickets on the telephone. I would guess they would move maybe 25-35 units at 10k + now at 5-7k i could see them hit 100+. plus how long would it take for someone to reverse engineer it and come out with a more affordable version?
