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@JettaRed I changed my oil last weekend...no where near me had any of the Penzoil. So, another round of Liquid Moly (5-40).
I do still get concerned about the +/- 20deg higher top number frequently on my dash......I know the numbers are "fake", but...see all the comments about the numbers being equal.
@JettaRed I changed my oil last weekend...no where near me had any of the Penzoil. So, another round of Liquid Moly (5-40).
I do still get concerned about the +/- 20deg higher top number frequently on my dash......I know the numbers are "fake", but...see all the comments about the numbers being equal.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar
@JettaRed I changed my oil last weekend...no where near me had any of the Penzoil. So, another round of Liquid Moly (5-40).
I do still get concerned about the +/- 20deg higher top number frequently on my dash......I know the numbers are "fake", but...see all the comments about the numbers being equal.
Yeah, I can only find the Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 on Amazon.
+1: Motul is a quality lubricant I wouldn't mind using again.
6000 Mi on MOD-2.1 looks real good nice bright honey
BEST OIL I'VE HAD
-- MOD-2 MOT. 5W-40 can hold it's viscosity longer than MOD-1 MOB. 0W-40 does in order to save energy.
-- Motul Xcess Gen2 5w40 is "API SN Rated"... translates at good levels of ZDDP/Ca at the expense of dirtier emissions sensors... exactly like most good hard-working oils HDEO!
High calcium blends are known to cause LSPI.
The GDI engines now favor API SP rated lubricants.
-- Soon going to testdrive possible upgrade:
MOD-3 on 15W-40 "SP" for clean cats/lambdas
-- the newest clean burning chemistry for MV HDEO.
-- It's rated API SP for its balance Moly/Boron and lower Zinc/Phosphorus/Calcium blended in a thicker base stock.
-- A proven group III lubricant at competitive price point, nothing exotic. Excellent oxidation control for extended service.
-- Best chemistry blend developed with Cummings.
+1: Motul is a quality lubricant I wouldn't mind using again.
6000 Mi on MOD-2.1 looks real good nice bright honey
BEST OIL I'VE HAD
-- MOD-2 MOT. 5W-40 can hold it's viscosity longer than MOD-1 MOB. 0W-40 does in order to save energy.
-- Motul Xcess Gen2 5w40 is "API SN Rated"... translates at good levels of ZDDP/Ca at the expense of dirtier emissions sensors... exactly like most good hard-working oils HDEO!
High calcium blends are known to cause LSPI.
The GDI engines now favor API SP rated lubricants.
-- Soon going to testdrive possible upgrade:
MOD-3 on 15W-40 "SP" for clean cats/lambdas
-- the newest clean burning chemistry for MV HDEO.
-- It's rated API SP for its balance Moly/Boron and lower Zinc/Phosphorus/Calcium blended in a thicker base stock.
-- A proven group III lubricant at competitive price point, nothing exotic. Excellent oxidation control for extended service.
-- Best chemistry blend developed with Cummings.
-- Moly/Boron should help protect aluminum journals near HPFP
API SN vs. SP chemistry....
-- Then perhaps later....
Try a MOD-4: MOB. 0/5W-50 as needed.
No SP formulation available, only heavy ZDDP "racing" legacy chemistry.
Put Motul X-cess Gen 2 5w-40 in a week ago, just got back from 320 mile trip, so far...I'm impressed. Really impressed. She's smoother, pep a little more controlled. But one important area I'm gonna keep tabs on for the next 2k.
-- MOD-2 MOT. 5W-40 can hold it's viscosity longer than MOD-1 MOB. 0W-40 does in order to save energy.
-- Motul Xcess Gen2 5w40 is "API SN Rated"... translates at good levels of ZDDP/Ca at the expense of dirtier emissions sensors... exactly like most good hard-working oils HDEO!
High calcium blends are known to cause LSPI.
The GDI engines now favor API SP rated lubricants.
-- Soon going to testdrive possible upgrade:
MOD-3 on 15W-40 "SP" for clean cats/lambdas
-- the newest clean burning chemistry for MV HDEO.
-- It's rated API SP for its balance Moly/Boron and lower Zinc/Phosphorus/Calcium blended in a thicker base stock.
-- A proven group III lubricant at competitive price point, nothing exotic. Excellent oxidation control for extended service.
-- Best chemistry blend developed with Cummings.
-- Then perhaps later....
Try a MOD-4: MOB. 0/5W-50 as needed.
No SP formulation available, only heavy ZDDP "racing" legacy chemistry.
Originally Posted by Rickman30
Put Motul X-cess Gen 2 5w-40 in a week ago, just got back from 320 mile trip, so far...I'm impressed. Really impressed. She's smoother, pep a little more controlled. But one important area I'm gonna keep tabs on for the next 2k.
re: forum member slobo
That is very awesome to hear!
re: forum member CaliBenzDriver
Appreciate all the analysis!
re: forum member Rickman30
That is awesome, glad to hear you are enjoying it!
Now I've been on holiday with the car for 14 days and have covered 3500 kilometers (approx. 2200 miles) and have not noticed any oil consumption.
The oil is still golden yellow. I am very satisfied and will soon changing my first oil (since unplugging). I'm not sure, but I think I have done more than 5000 kilometers (approx. 3100 miles) with the unplugged solenoid. The Engine and Transmission is working more logical and everything feels smoother than before. I recommend this Mod to a friend (with M157) and he can't believe how good and smooth the MCT is running now.
So far so good, I'm looking forward to the next oil change, then I'll add a little thicker oil (like the Mod) to my standard oil (Motul 5W40). I would like to test on my own car the Mod with the viscosity and I'm looking forward to do all what I can do, to keep the engine healthy.
Question: Is someone using the 300V Oil from Motul or the standard 5W40?
Motul makes a 5W-50 API SP. That's the one I have been eyeing.
I'll say it again: I do NOT recommend mixing oils. Lake Speed Jr repeatedly tells us that your oil analysis after switching oils will show weird/bad results until the SECOND oil change (because of residual oil of the old chemistry). If that's true, then deliberately pouring in oil to mix is a terrible idea. You would have to verify that the additive pack (and even the base oil) is the same, which is possible with a "VOA" (virgin oil analysis) but I don't see anyone talking about that on here. There is no rule of thumb; using the same brand is a guarantee of nothing. Don't get hyper focused on one variable at all costs (viscosity) because that is not the only important variable.
Motul makes a 5W-50 API SP. That's the one I have been eyeing.
I'll say it again: I do NOT recommend mixing oils. Lake Speed Jr repeatedly tells us that your oil analysis after switching oils will show weird/bad results until the SECOND oil change (because of residual oil of the old chemistry). If that's true, then deliberately pouring in oil to mix is a terrible idea. You would have to verify that the additive pack (and even the base oil) is the same, which is possible with a "VOA" (virgin oil analysis) but I don't see anyone talking about that on here. There is no rule of thumb; using the same brand is a guarantee of nothing. Don't get hyper focused on one variable at all costs (viscosity) because that is not the only important variable.
I wouldn't say no one else here is talking about it.
I meant comparing VOAs for the explicit purpose of verifying compatibility to mix. Plenty of us are discussing, say, levels of calcium, ZDDP or whatever. But it's not in the context of compatibility to mix.
I meant comparing VOAs for the explicit purpose of verifying compatibility to mix. Plenty of us are discussing, say, levels of calcium, ZDDP or whatever. But it's not in the context of compatibility to mix.
I wasn't disagreeing with the information, I'm on your side. The "No one's talking about" was where I responded.
Motul makes a 5W-50 API SP. That's the one I have been eyeing.
I'll say it again: I do NOT recommend mixing oils. Lake Speed Jr repeatedly tells us that your oil analysis after switching oils will show weird/bad results until the SECOND oil change (because of residual oil of the old chemistry). If that's true, then deliberately pouring in oil to mix is a terrible idea. You would have to verify that the additive pack (and even the base oil) is the same, which is possible with a "VOA" (virgin oil analysis) but I don't see anyone talking about that on here. There is no rule of thumb; using the same brand is a guarantee of nothing.
Don't get hyper focused on one variable at all costs (viscosity) because that is not the only important variable.
thanks Kev for bringing up this
MOTUL API "SP" 5W50 modern additives package!
This is a welcomed option without the high ZDDP/Calcium of "racing oils".
Viscosity may be too high up the W50 range but that is better than too low in W30 range
I am 40Miles in testing API "SP" 15w40: it feels like a fresh lubricant.
will this live to expectations without further help ??
> SN/SP CONFUSION :
This Valvoline 15w40 has been around years as "SN" many test results posted on Internet... This is the NEW SP formula sharing the same name but radically different.
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Jul 23, 2024 at 03:59 PM.
ESTER Technology: 100% Synthetic formula derived from competition and based on Ester ensuring outstanding oil film resistance at very high temperatures for maximum engine power and torque, as well as maximum wear protection. Stable oil pressure whatever the conditions of use, road or racing.
Turbocharged gasoline engines with direct injection have a certain risk of sporadic pre-ignition phenomena in the combustion chambers. This type of sporadic abnormal combustion resembles metallic noise from combustion chambers and is sometimes associated with a short power loss. This phenomenon called LSPI for Low Speed Pre-Ignition, or also Rumble, generates very high pressure peaks in the combustion chamber that can lead to piston damages and ultimately to engine destruction.
For their latest-generation downsized gasoline engines, which are equipped with direct injection systems and turbochargers, API has developed the API SP standard for engine lubricants in order to guarantee the perfect integrity of these gasoline engines facing the risk of these abnormal combustions
The API SP standard is fully backward compatible over API SN requirements and all former API standards. API SP lubricants provide outstanding oxidation resistance, better anti-deposits protection, better engine cleanliness, anti-wear protection and enhanced performance at cold temperature for Fuel Economy savings during the whole oil life span. Besides being backward compatible, compare to API SN and API SN Plus, the API SP standard provides higher performance and especially adds more protection against LSPI phenomenon for downsized direct injection turbocharged gasoline engines.
MOTUL 8100 POWER 5W-50 meets all these very highly demanding requirements of performance and durability, including in particular for API SP standard, the full compatibility to biofuels use such as LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas), CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), and Bioethanol (as available at the station), when using Ethanol Biofuel at a mix ratio of up to 85% (Bioethanol – E85).
The FORD WSS-M2C931-D specification requires the lubricant to be both API SN Plus and 5W-50 in order to perfectly lubricate certain high-performance FORD Gasoline engines such as Focus RS 2.3 EcoBoost AWD and Ford GT produced from 2016, and Mustang GT350, GT350R from 2018. FORD WSS-M2C931-D specification also covers previous versions, i.e. FORD WSS-M2C931-C and 931-B recommended for the Ford Mustang GT V8 5.0L, Boss 302 V8 5.0L, Mustang GT350 from 2015 and Shelby GT500 from 2006; and FORD WSS-M2C931-A recommended for the Ford GT V8 5.4L from 2004-2006.
MOTUL 8100 POWER 5W-50 allows excellent oil flow into the engine and is particularly resistant to high temperatures to allow better control of oil consumption and provide higher wear protection. Its optimized high viscosity grade SAE 5W-50 brings maximum reliability to your engine and high protection against fuel dilution.
thanks Kev for bringing up this
MOTUL API "SP" 5W50 modern additives package!
This is a welcomed option without the high ZDDP/Calcium of "racing oils".
Viscosity may be too high up the W50 range but that is better than too low in W30 range
I am 40Miles in testing API "SP" 15w40: it feels like a fresh lubricant.
will this live to expectations without further help ??
> SN/SP CONFUSION :
This Valvoline 15w40 has been around years as "SN" many test results posted on Internet... This is the NEW SP formula sharing the same name but radically different.
I was looking over the Motul Power, but in 5w-40 variety.
Rick, the Motul Xcess Gen2 5w40 I tested was an "SN" formula "MB Approved".
API RATED SN
Is the container you're looking at also API "SN" or has it been upgraded to "SP" formulation?
solid premium specs on a 5w50
Low pour point Temp and high flash point are rare combinations
It's SN, I had to order, I had asked if they had SP, they assured me it was SP, but I didn't get. I called they apologized asked if I needed to send back. I said I am using it anyway.
But I got 600 miles left till oil change. I want to try Motul Power, Pennzoil Ultra, and may try the new Mobil 1 SP. I'm doing two change flush, test a used and new sample of each brand @ 1000 miles each. I'll retry Motul X-cess in SP when I actually get it. The one with the least PPM wear wins. But so far, I like the Motul X-Cess Gen 2, but we'll see.
It's SN, I had to order, I had asked if they had SP, they assured me it was SP, but I didn't get. I called they apologized asked if I needed to send back. I said I am using it anyway.
But I got 600 miles left till oil change. I want to try Motul Power, Pennzoil Ultra, and may try the new Mobil 1 SP. I'm doing two change flush, test a used and new sample of each brand @ 1000 miles each. I'll retry Motul X-cess in SP when I actually get it. The one with the least PPM wear wins. But so far, I like the Motul X-Cess Gen 2, but we'll see.
Rick, these oils are fair choices within the right ballpark.
These engines respond really well to oiling improvements:
Cleaner "SP rated" for GDI LSPI
Viscosity @100C around 15,16,17,18,...
Higher flash temp for rings seal
I am not a fan of using friction modifiers to make up for thin film viscosity.
It's no mystery that professional HDEO oils unequivocally provide both for 75,000Mi oil change, not 5,000K Max.
Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Jul 24, 2024 at 07:50 PM.
Reason: personal choices
