Oil pump solenoids
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W212 MY'14 M276-3.5NA @75kMi
SOMETHIN' FOR NOTHING...
... and pls ask them to UNLOCK MY ACCOUNT EDIT PRIVILEGE so I can consolidate the experimental solderless research I started years ago. I can't jump through hoops to edit words......
We can try to turn experimental research into practical A-B-C how-to instructions like we did to pull solenoid from top/bottom with/without dummy load...
SCM/ESP/EIS/MFK... are used to detune the performance of our chassis. We are not going to sit along expecting any recall -
We can organise data into knowledge to enable built-in awesome ECU+TCU operations for experimenters.
My last two solderless modules are side front radars. I wonder what more they are going to enable at this stage???
We Get To Pioneer... :
ppl with T-Turbos and AirMatic are gonna find additional free extras!!
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We can try to turn experimental research into practical A-B-C how-to instructions like we did to pull solenoid from top/bottom with/without dummy load...
SCM/ESP/EIS/MFK... are used to detune the performance of our chassis. We are not going to sit along expecting any recall -
We can organise data into knowledge to enable built-in awesome ECU+TCU operations for experimenters.
My last two solderless modules are side front radars. I wonder what more they are going to enable at this stage???
We Get To Pioneer... :
- planted straight precise steering
- vibration free engine
- seemless responsive tranny
- engine GDI pressure sentive torque
- strong proportionally smooth brakes
- oil cooled pistons with sealed rings
- engine start-no-crank
- clean 6kMi old engine oil
- no-battery-drain ALT control (YoYo /TBD)
- no-battery-drain while parked
- almost forgot: normal oil pressure solenoid!
- madness-free door keyfob
- reliable LED HL
- reliable TPMS
- reliable rear/front short range radars
- I forgot others... Im freshly jetlagged
ppl with T-Turbos and AirMatic are gonna find additional free extras!!
*** Achieved courtesy of team-work with great contributors *** enabled or disabled by MBW admins.
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We could use an easy install guide for the various platforms that includes a parts list (dummy sockets and covers for the things being unplugged). I know the S63 needs some things to be installed or a CEL will light up after unplugging. Perhaps other platforms require this as well.
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We could use an easy install guide for the various platforms that includes a parts list (dummy sockets and covers for the things being unplugged). I know the S63 needs some things to be installed or a CEL will light up after unplugging. Perhaps other platforms require this as well.
According to the survey in the OP, no one with a M176 and M177 did the mod yet, I guess it is because it is too new and they don't want to try it until warranty ends.
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Random question, I have a tuned M278 (solenoid unplugged). In the warmer months, I use Molygen 5W-40. Would this be safe to use in the winter here in Toronto, or should I go down to 0W-40? The car won't be parked outside if that makes a difference, it'll split its time between a heated and non-heated garage.
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Random question, I have a tuned M278 (solenoid unplugged). In the warmer months, I use Molygen 5W-40. Would this be safe to use in the winter here in Toronto, or should I go down to 0W-40? The car won't be parked outside if that makes a difference, it'll split its time between a heated and non-heated garage.
Edit: That said, I remember reading that the car goes in normal pressure mode in cold starts anyways stock it is only after a while it goes back in reduced pressure mode. So I wouldn't be worried at all.
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Good news, I found the post I mentioned:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978758
Forum member CaliBenzDriver also explained it: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978810
Forum member with actual experience: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978805
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978758
Forum member CaliBenzDriver also explained it: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978810
Forum member with actual experience: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8978805
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Random question, I have a tuned M278 (solenoid unplugged). In the warmer months, I use Molygen 5W-40. Would this be safe to use in the winter here in Toronto, or should I go down to 0W-40? The car won't be parked outside if that makes a difference, it'll split its time between a heated and non-heated garage.
Unless you are expecting harsh winter this season in Toronto, 5W40 should be fine for a garaged car. However, recall to warm up to normal temperature before having fun.
I used to live in Waterloo, and -35C is on the very extreme I experienced in 16 years. Do not recall ever below -30C in town.
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Random question, I have a tuned M278 (solenoid unplugged). In the warmer months, I use Molygen 5W-40. Would this be safe to use in the winter here in Toronto, or should I go down to 0W-40? The car won't be parked outside if that makes a difference, it'll split its time between a heated and non-heated garage.
I made this mode month and a half ago i was with 5/40 mercedes one, i notice gearbox get smoother and bit more tq at low rpms
1month ago i dropped the car in dealer for oil change and for some reason they put 0/40 while all the times it was 5/40 so i argue WHY TF they put 0/40 and is just because they charged me 400$ for the oil itself.. anyway
Now with 0/40 the car isn't like the 5/40 so def i would stick with 5/40 if the climate is ok with that im in europe and here the winter go -15/-20 and in the summer around 40
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Thanks for all the replies, based on what everyone said I'll be sticking to 5W-40 for the winter. Also @juanmor40, I had the amg temp menu coded in to make sure I know when the oil is up to temp.
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Unless you are expecting harsh winter this season in Toronto, 5W40 should be fine for a garaged car. However, recall to warm up to normal temperature before having fun.
I used to live in Waterloo, and -35C is on the very extreme I experienced in 16 years. Do not recall ever below -30C in town.
http://www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/108...ab64adbba6.jpg
Unless you are expecting harsh winter this season in Toronto, 5W40 should be fine for a garaged car. However, recall to warm up to normal temperature before having fun.
I used to live in Waterloo, and -35C is on the very extreme I experienced in 16 years. Do not recall ever below -30C in town.
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Thanks for all the replies, based on what everyone said I'll be sticking to 5W-40 for the winter. Also @juanmor40, I had the amg temp menu coded in to make sure I know when the oil is up to temp.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...-liar-too.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...inda-liar.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8989032
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8989253
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8989326
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8995077
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8995145
Anyways so quick summary, the coolant temperature is doctored. The oil temperature is based on complex algorithms and is not the real time temperature as there is no oil temperature sensor.
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WINTER CONSIDERATIONS....
We have noted early on the oil/coolant both warm up faster when pistons are sprayed to prevent heat accumulation.
OPTIONS ARE:
-- Thin oil raises spray above 2500.RPM
-- Solenoid enables spraying below 3500.RPM
-- Best viscosity sprays near 1500.RPM.
Cold start benefits from parts being coated by lubricant - Listen to overall metallic sound from parts with thin film for the first couple minutes... this provides a reality check.
5w vs. 0w : no difference - After 2kMi a 5W40 has sheared into a 0w40 or 15w30 equivalent. Compare used oil analysis.
A high output turbo engines benefit from oil film with stable viscosity. You can definitely run MB stock 0w or 5w40 SAE-SN/SP lubricant in Toronto : we all absolutely agree and as long as it stays amber mapple-sirop, not black-tea.
As @kistiyanpetrov just realized the engine ECU dislikes thin oil. The results are directly linked to viscosity selection. 15w40 is stable with controlled heat.
OPTIONS ARE:
-- Thin oil raises spray above 2500.RPM
-- Solenoid enables spraying below 3500.RPM
-- Best viscosity sprays near 1500.RPM.
Cold start benefits from parts being coated by lubricant - Listen to overall metallic sound from parts with thin film for the first couple minutes... this provides a reality check.
5w vs. 0w : no difference - After 2kMi a 5W40 has sheared into a 0w40 or 15w30 equivalent. Compare used oil analysis.
A high output turbo engines benefit from oil film with stable viscosity. You can definitely run MB stock 0w or 5w40 SAE-SN/SP lubricant in Toronto : we all absolutely agree and as long as it stays amber mapple-sirop, not black-tea.
As @kistiyanpetrov just realized the engine ECU dislikes thin oil. The results are directly linked to viscosity selection. 15w40 is stable with controlled heat.
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Once any piston shaving stored by shut solenoid gets to jam nearby Cyl.1 squirter, the engine may be doomed without warning.Earlier on, I advised against chancing solenoid plug-back before deciding to unplug.
---> Enabling *normal* pump output is best experimented safely as a one-way journey.
I don't know of any benefit to restore limited pressure. Can it be done: absolutely.
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Once any piston shaving stored by shut solenoid gets to jam nearby Cyl.1 squirter, the engine may be doomed without warning.
Earlier on, I advised against chancing solenoid plug-back before deciding to unplug.
---> Enabling *normal* pump output is best experimented safely as a one-way journey.
I don't know of any benefit to restore limited pressure. Can it be done: absolutely.
Once any piston shaving stored by shut solenoid gets to jam nearby Cyl.1 squirter, the engine may be doomed without warning.
Earlier on, I advised against chancing solenoid plug-back before deciding to unplug.
---> Enabling *normal* pump output is best experimented safely as a one-way journey.
I don't know of any benefit to restore limited pressure. Can it be done: absolutely.
Just wondering my winters are "hard" -10°C haha
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-10°C is no problem. When engines are driven temperature gets regulared to near 200°F regardless of -10°C outside.
If you wanted to "plug back solenoid"... replacing solenoid would be expensive but safe option as well as replace/clean oil filter CAP that has a bypass valve known to store junk.
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We have noted early on the oil/coolant both warm up faster when pistons are sprayed to prevent heat accumulation.
OPTIONS ARE:
-- Thin oil raises spray above 2500.RPM
-- Solenoid enables spraying below 3500.RPM
-- Best viscosity sprays near 1500.RPM.
Cold start benefits from parts being coated by lubricant - Listen to overall metallic sound from parts with thin film for the first couple minutes... this provides a reality check.
5w vs. 0w : no difference - After 2kMi a 5W40 has sheared into a 0w40 or 15w30 equivalent. Compare used oil analysis.
A high output turbo engines benefit from oil film with stable viscosity. You can definitely run MB stock 0w or 5w40 SAE-SN/SP lubricant in Toronto : we all absolutely agree and as long as it stays amber mapple-sirop, not black-tea.
As @kistiyanpetrov just realized the engine ECU dislikes thin oil. The results are directly linked to viscosity selection. 15w40 is stable with controlled heat.
OPTIONS ARE:
-- Thin oil raises spray above 2500.RPM
-- Solenoid enables spraying below 3500.RPM
-- Best viscosity sprays near 1500.RPM.
Cold start benefits from parts being coated by lubricant - Listen to overall metallic sound from parts with thin film for the first couple minutes... this provides a reality check.
5w vs. 0w : no difference - After 2kMi a 5W40 has sheared into a 0w40 or 15w30 equivalent. Compare used oil analysis.
A high output turbo engines benefit from oil film with stable viscosity. You can definitely run MB stock 0w or 5w40 SAE-SN/SP lubricant in Toronto : we all absolutely agree and as long as it stays amber mapple-sirop, not black-tea.
As @kistiyanpetrov just realized the engine ECU dislikes thin oil. The results are directly linked to viscosity selection. 15w40 is stable with controlled heat.
Till now i was driving only with Mercedes oil but since i do it every 7-8k km I can change it at least once before my service interval is due with something else
I read that you are happy with Mot 5/40 if im not wrong (if so can you recommend which one to take for best results as im driving more racing than normal), so should i go with that and if so can you tell which one I find online that there's Motul 8100 X-cess and X-cess GEN2 both 5W/40 SAE thank you
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Can you advise me what oil i should put in when i do my 8k km on the current 0/40, i would change it tomorrow as it is on 1500km already but since i paid 400$ for this oil i would keep it for now..
Till now i was driving only with Mercedes oil but since i do it every 7-8k km I can change it at least once before my service interval is due with something else
I read that you are happy with Mot 5/40 if im not wrong (if so can you recommend which one to take for best results as im driving more racing than normal), so should i go with that and if so can you tell which one I find online that there's Motul 8100 X-cess and X-cess GEN2 both 5W/40 SAE thank you
Till now i was driving only with Mercedes oil but since i do it every 7-8k km I can change it at least once before my service interval is due with something else
I read that you are happy with Mot 5/40 if im not wrong (if so can you recommend which one to take for best results as im driving more racing than normal), so should i go with that and if so can you tell which one I find online that there's Motul 8100 X-cess and X-cess GEN2 both 5W/40 SAE thank you
how long since unplugged??
