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Old Sep 11, 2024 | 04:49 PM
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when you ask the tech if this could happen again - what do they say?
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 10:29 AM
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when you ask the tech if this could happen again - what do they say?
My SA told me the updated parts, both seal and separators, "should" solve the issue. I think only time will tell.
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
when you ask the tech if this could happen again - what do they say?
I don't have access to the tech. That said, it's obvious what they would say.
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 01:17 PM
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My SA told me the updated parts, both seal and separators, "should" solve the issue. I think only time will tell.
thank you for this feedback; indeed time is the test
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So... what happens if you just let the RMS drip and solve the separator issue that is causing the higher pressure...

The only reason I ask is on my Aston Martin I had a weeping seal on the engine and the dealer suggested I monitor it... It drips or weeps occasionally and that was 4 years ago and they have not recommended taking things apart.
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Old Sep 14, 2024 | 12:01 PM
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So... what happens if you just let the RMS drip and solve the separator issue that is causing the higher pressure...

The only reason I ask is on my Aston Martin I had a weeping seal on the engine and the dealer suggested I monitor it... It drips or weeps occasionally and that was 4 years ago and they have not recommended taking things apart.
Interesting thought.

If the RMS fails by excess crankcase vacuum and yields (gets sucked in and creases), hard to guess if the seal either pops back into place or not, or if it pops back into place whether a persistent leak would be present or not.

If the RMS fails by excess crankcase pressure (“blows out”) the theory could be that the RMS returns to its proper shape and seals more or less properly.

The first failure mode is more potentially damaging in my view.

Replacing the OVS never hurts and always helps in my view.
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Old Sep 14, 2024 | 01:53 PM
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So... what happens if you just let the RMS drip and solve the separator issue that is causing the higher pressure...

The only reason I ask is on my Aston Martin I had a weeping seal on the engine and the dealer suggested I monitor it... It drips or weeps occasionally and that was 4 years ago and they have not recommended taking things apart.
These seals fail catastrophically. Huge hunks of seal deform. It won't be long before the small leak becomes a huge mess.
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Old Sep 14, 2024 | 06:11 PM
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These seals fail catastrophically. Huge hunks of seal deform. It won't be long before the small leak becomes a huge mess.
I am calling BS on this. I have seen seals like this go a very long time and if anything the leak gets only slightly worse over a very long period of time. The downside is you do have a constant drip of oil that can make a mess of the underside of your car.
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I am calling BS on this. I have seen seals like this go a very long time and if anything the leak gets only slightly worse over a very long period of time. The downside is you do have a constant drip of oil that can make a mess of the underside of your car.
Look at the last pic in https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post8953926 (from this thread). The seal lip is totally deformed. Everyone gets to decide what their garage floor looks like, I guess.
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This seal is finished. Any similar failure means the seal is toast.


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Originally Posted by chassis
This seal is finished. Any similar failure means the seal is toast.

the lip on that seal is soo thin... what a waste in trying to save a few bucks for such a catastrophic failure...
do we know if they have improved the part or just replacing with the same POS

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Old Sep 15, 2024 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by whitewagon
the lip on that seal is soo thin... what a waste in trying to save a few bucks for such a catastrophic failure...
do we know if they have improved the part or just replacing with the same POS
The seal and the oil separators have been updated.
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Old Sep 15, 2024 | 01:45 PM
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It would be good to see photos of old vs new RMS and old vs new OVS to understand what has changed.
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Old Sep 15, 2024 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chassis
It would be good to see photos of old vs new RMS and old vs new OVS to understand what has changed.
The link in my post above contains a side-by-side of the seals. I haven't seen any details about the separator upgrade. I imagine it's internal.
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Originally Posted by whoover
The link in my post above contains a side-by-side of the seals. I haven't seen any details about the separator upgrade. I imagine it's internal.
The new RMS assembly is a clear cheapening by MB. Stamped steel carrier plate vs cast Al or Mg in the original design. Carrier plate has no influence on the plastic seal design imo. The photos show no discernible detail in seal lip or press bore.

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Old Sep 16, 2024 | 05:16 PM
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So does anyone have a tsb to give to the dealer for this to assure they understand the issue?
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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 09:36 AM
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So does anyone have a TSB to give to the dealer for this to assure they understand the issue?
I don't believe that there is a TSB for the RMS failures. YMMV
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Old Sep 22, 2024 | 03:00 AM
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Completed work from the local Indy. Took about a week, picking up the car first thing tomorrow morning. Will ask if they saw which OVS was cracked. Not a terrible deal all in all.




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Completed work from the local Indy. Took about a week, picking up the car first thing tomorrow morning. Will ask if they saw which OVS was cracked. Not a terrible deal all in all.



and you got the updated parts - good for you
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post9012993
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Yeah. As expected, parts are not that expensive. It’s all about labor. 😢
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A known failure point at a basic cost of 10% of the value of the car is really unacceptable.
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A known failure point at a basic cost of 10% of the value of the car is really unacceptable.
totally agree. And it's unclear if it will reoccur despite a repair with updated parts (or at least, parts with updated part numbers)

on the contrary, though this is very wrong, there are so many things about this engine and car that are so very right and enjoyable.

everyone will make that determination for themselves.

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This thread is surely in the running for longest post... somehow divided in two, perhaps by the system. Part 1 started on Mar 7, 2023. Part 2 started the month April and is still going strong in Sep 2024.

Given the parts aren't terribly expensive, it's almost a good idea to order all the parts--hardware, seals, bolts, oil separator--and put it in a tub. Or, since RMS leak is not catastrophic, buy all the parts, have them at the dealer under your name (like any part order), and then drop the car off for the operation when all the parts are in hand. I'm sure the technicians don't like to start and stop a job. I know I don't like it in my work. So much effort coming back up to speed after each delay.
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This thread is surely in the running for longest post... somehow divided in two, perhaps by the system. Part 1 started on Mar 7, 2023. Part 2 started the month April and is still going strong in Sep 2024.

Given the parts aren't terribly expensive, it's almost a good idea to order all the parts--hardware, seals, bolts, oil separator--and put it in a tub. Or, since RMS leak is not catastrophic, buy all the parts, have them at the dealer under your name (like any part order), and then drop the car off for the operation when all the parts are in hand. I'm sure the technicians don't like to start and stop a job. I know I don't like it in my work. So much effort coming back up to speed after each delay.
All the parts were in stock at my dealer.
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