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LMAO......Yea.....lots poor workers building the cars at the Alabama plant also. They are just as bad as anywhere and anyone else in the USA regardless of where they are at. I have worked on many levels of management in the manufacturing segment...and tired of the "Me no understand" or "no comprehend-re" when they screw up; but when you screw up on their paycheck, they suddenly can speak great English!!! I bought a C450 that several problems due to assembly line errors...molding not installed correctly, a body panel with poor fit, and an extra inspection shield from the underside for the power steering floating around on the bottom engine pan cover that eventually got wrapped up in a belt in the engine, causing problems and a suspension/steering problem; so in total for my first 62 days of ownership, my car was in the shop for 44 days and in my possession for 18 days. I got to liking the C300 loaner better than my C450.
Just remember it is management's fault also that things got out of hand. It takes both parties to agree to the union contracts!! Right?? Both sides were getting plenty fat before the Japanese shook things up...and the American consumer accepting bad products. I can remember Roger Smith, past GM CEO saying if we build it...America will buy it because we are "GM". And I am upper management and a small business owner if you wonder!!
You are dreaming, and there is nothing you, Mr. Upper Management, need to remind me of.
Let's see, your argument is that your C450's problems mean that the percentage of screwed up vehicles are essentially equal regardless of UAW or Right-To-Work State workers put it together........with some thinly veiled bigotry towards hispanic workers so cleverly included. The same ole, let me not take any responsibility for the facts, but instead say everyone does it.
No. The UAW rule is that you and your UAW friends don't give a damn and the products show it. The exception is that a you put out something good once in a while. The RTW State rule is that products are largely well constructed and QUALITY CONTROLLED!!.....and the products show it.
The exception? People like you get the occasional dud and make blanket assumptions about the product line. So, just because your misery loves company does not mean hispanic workers and their supervisors are performing poorly as a rule.
I got some vinyl done. The nighttime shots make it hard to tell, but I did the lower rocker extensions in gloss black. More pics soon.
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I need rear flics! Please someone find me some OEM rear flics! The Hong Kong models just got cheaper and I'm feeling weak. They're so cheap that it's almost worth buying them as a temporary fix.
I am a little worried that once I get flics, I'm going to end up blacking out the trunk spoiler, chrome trunk stripe, and door handles. You know... the whole once you go black thing?
Looks great! pulls the wheels and trim together nicely - and still very tasteful
That seems very cheap. Check their portfolio of cars done and decide if they're a good match for price and quality. I was quoted 850 for partial front end (half) and 1450 for full. I went for the half and also added headlight clear bra for $100. The side mirrors come with the package. All in all I paid $940 (he gave me a $20 back cuz he had no change) but leeberbs does quality work, he has a shop in hillsborough nj and another down in florida.
He had some expensive cars being wrapped while i was there and there is an after photo of it applied to my car. Couldnt tell if it is there at all even with a partial cover
Appreciate the info. Bentleys, Porches, etc in their portfolio of work...and they have great reviews. They are the most popular auto spa in my city, so I guess the low price is just a cherry on top. They offer much more extensive protection packages than the Xpel, but I think I'm just going to stick with that and maybe something for my wheels.
I saw a Testarossa last night getting Expel done on the front end when I picked my car up and it looked great. I kept looking but never found an edge. In fact, I thought the Expel section made his older paint look better. It was deeper red than the tail.
Then I watched him do the infomercial schtick, hitting the front end of a classic Ferrari with a steel wool pad, then hitting the section with a heat gun to make the scratches disappear.
I was very impressed.
I saw a Testarossa last night getting Expel done on the front end when I picked my car up and it looked great. I kept looking but never found an edge. In fact, I thought the Expel section made his older paint look better. It was deeper red than the tail.
Then I watched him do the infomercial schtick, hitting the front end of a classic Ferrari with a steel wool pad, then hitting the section with a heat gun to make the scratches disappear.
I was very impressed.
Yes, the edge is hard to find unless you're less than a foot away from it. Or if your car is really really dirty lol
You are dreaming, and there is nothing you, Mr. Upper Management, need to remind me of.
Let's see, your argument is that your C450's problems mean that the percentage of screwed up vehicles are essentially equal regardless of UAW or Right-To-Work State workers put it together........with some thinly veiled bigotry towards hispanic workers so cleverly included. The same ole, let me not take any responsibility for the facts, but instead say everyone does it.
No. The UAW rule is that you and your UAW friends don't give a damn and the products show it. The exception is that a you put out something good once in a while. The RTW State rule is that products are largely well constructed and QUALITY CONTROLLED!!.....and the products show it.
The exception? People like you get the occasional dud and make blanket assumptions about the product line. So, just because your misery loves company does not mean hispanic workers and their supervisors are performing poorly as a rule.
The Surfer Boy Racist lives.
None of this is topical. Please start a new thread if you would like to ***** about the UAW. Please note the title of this thread is, "C450 AMG Sport discussion only."
So I have a c450 up here in Toronto, and really wanting to tune it a bit to get more HP/TQ gains. Not thinking of going crazy but am strongly leaning towards catless downpipes and the Eurocharged full ecu tune, and K&N high flow filters.
The ECU tune calls for 40HP and 70TQ. Eurocharged says the fabricate their own catless downpips, and claim an increase of 25HP and 30TQ. So in total looking at a gain of 65HP and 100TQ.
Any thoughts on this? Has anyone done something similar?
So I have a c450 up here in Toronto, and really wanting to tune it a bit to get more HP/TQ gains. Not thinking of going crazy but am strongly leaning towards catless downpipes and the Eurocharged full ecu tune, and K&N high flow filters.
The ECU tune calls for 40HP and 70TQ. Eurocharged says the fabricate their own catless downpips, and claim an increase of 25HP and 30TQ. So in total looking at a gain of 65HP and 100TQ.
Any thoughts on this? Has anyone done something similar?
Tune is $1999, and downpipes are $2499 installed.
Does "catless downpipes" mean an exhaust setup with deletion of the catalytic converters? Cat deletion usually provides small increases in performance. It also causes most vehicles to fail emissions testing and to display a CEL.
I think the only reasonable performance gain you would get from exhaust mods on a C450 would come from an X-pipe set up. Everything else is mostly for improving the exhaust note to match the driver's preference. Any HP & Torque increases from exhaust mods are going to be marginal at best.
Does "catless downpipes" mean an exhaust setup with deletion of the catalytic converters? Cat deletion usually provides small increases in performance. It also causes most vehicles to fail emissions testing and to display a CEL.
I think the only reasonable performance gain you would get from exhaust mods on a C450 would come from an X-pipe set up. Everything else is mostly for improving the exhaust note to match the driver's preference. Any HP & Torque increases from exhaust mods are going to be marginal at best.
Thanks.. well thats what Eurocharged told me.. So prob not worth the $2400. I can ask them about X pipe...
Does "catless downpipes" mean an exhaust setup with deletion of the catalytic converters? Cat deletion usually provides small increases in performance. It also causes most vehicles to fail emissions testing and to display a CEL.
I think the only reasonable performance gain you would get from exhaust mods on a C450 would come from an X-pipe set up. Everything else is mostly for improving the exhaust note to match the driver's preference. Any HP & Torque increases from exhaust mods are going to be marginal at best.
On Turbo cars, going catless is actually well worth it for power gains. When catless downpipe are isntalled on any of the cars we deal with we have seen tremendous gains. You'll see more gains on a downpipe than an x-pipe.
Below is a graph of tune only. Remember, AWD, customer picked up nearly 50awhp and 80awtrq
On Turbo cars, going catless is actually well worth it for power gains. When catless downpipe are isntalled on any of the cars we deal with we have seen tremendous gains. You'll see more gains on a downpipe than an x-pipe.
Below is a graph of tune only. Remember, AWD, customer picked up nearly 50awhp and 80awtrq
Agreed, they are a track mod plain and simple. I'm kinda surprised that EC was pushing this mod for a C450. I could see getting these if you regularly track a C63 and if you are competent enough to swap 'em. I do not think they are a good mod for a C450 though.
Cat deletes are kinda old school nowadays and largely unnecessary IMO. Modern performance high-flow cats are not nearly as restrictive as cats from yesteryear.
On Turbo cars, going catless is actually well worth it for power gains. When catless downpipe are isntalled on any of the cars we deal with we have seen tremendous gains. You'll see more gains on a downpipe than an x-pipe.
Below is a graph of tune only. Remember, AWD, customer picked up nearly 50awhp and 80awtrq
That dyno graph is misleading. From EC's own site, below is the comparison dyno chart for a C63 that compares running with just the EC Tune vs. the EC Tune + CDs.
It indicates a small but very consistent increase across most of the power band. Nowhere near 50hp. Bear in mind, a larger displacement bi-turbo V8 should display a larger gain then a smaller displacement bi-turbo V6.
A performance increase for sure, but I question the value of this for a DD. Add to that the additional PITA of needing to replace the cats and reflash every time you need to pass emissions and the value add seems much lower for a street car.
There is also the ethical concern of substantially increasing pollution output for a marginal increase in performance. If you delete the cats you will substantially increase the emission of unburnt fuel, NOx, and VOCs into the atmosphere.
Agreed, they are a track mod plain and simple. I'm kinda surprised that EC was pushing this mod for a C450. I could see getting these if you regularly track a C63 and if you are competent enough to swap 'em. I do not think they are a good mod for a C450 though.
Cat deletes are kinda old school nowadays and largely unnecessary IMO. Modern performance high-flow cats are not nearly as restrictive as cats from yesteryear.
does the c450 come stock with high flow cats, or is that something that needs switching out?
Perhaps I will just stick with the full EC tune.. that dyno looks promising..
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