C450 AMG Sport discussion only.
#2376
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Anyone doing the aftermarket installation or setup would probably simply want to reduce any liability exposure and simply not do the work. There would not be sufficient indemnity for them to proceed.
The manufacture might do it, but they as well may have a policy simply not to.
It will be interesting to see if you can get it.
#2377
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i hope someone can reply to me QUICK !
i looking to buy 2016 C450 AMG with all the options i wanted,
MSRP is 63,660$
dealer offer is 60,000$
how much discount did you get ?
I live in California
i looking to buy 2016 C450 AMG with all the options i wanted,
MSRP is 63,660$
dealer offer is 60,000$
how much discount did you get ?
I live in California
Last edited by netboy; 12-03-2015 at 12:38 PM.
#2378
quite frankly, in the scenario I described above I seriously doubt any Rule 11 concern would be warranted.
Anyone doing the aftermarket installation or setup would probably simply want to reduce any liability exposure and simply not do the work. There would not be sufficient indemnity for them to proceed.
The manufacture might do it, but they as well may have a policy simply not to.
It will be interesting to see if you can get it.
Anyone doing the aftermarket installation or setup would probably simply want to reduce any liability exposure and simply not do the work. There would not be sufficient indemnity for them to proceed.
The manufacture might do it, but they as well may have a policy simply not to.
It will be interesting to see if you can get it.
As for the quantum of risk, I've never used anyone but Mercedes so that is moot as to me; however, it is my experience that a skilled broker can place almost any risk.
Please, no more speculation. My local dealer has no such policy, and has retrofitted complex systems for me without indemnity agreements, or naming and waiving agreements.
Last edited by Larry3Jswft; 12-03-2015 at 12:50 PM.
#2379
I'm in Seattle, and that's close to, but better than my deal. Ask for all weather mats and amg lock pins and you will get them.
#2380
I share your opinion. Here in France I read many articles giving negative or mixed feedback on C450 and I don't share their pov
The segment is between "normal" cars and very sporty ones and i can understand that some people can view the glass as half empty and other as half filled as we say here.
I have been posting messages in many test reviews to encourage people in europe to read reviews overseas as I think you guys have a better understanding of the segment and potential of this car.
This is said I don't think the forum should focus mainly on tunes and mods, as many people will stick to the stock features which offer already a lot.
The segment is between "normal" cars and very sporty ones and i can understand that some people can view the glass as half empty and other as half filled as we say here.
I have been posting messages in many test reviews to encourage people in europe to read reviews overseas as I think you guys have a better understanding of the segment and potential of this car.
This is said I don't think the forum should focus mainly on tunes and mods, as many people will stick to the stock features which offer already a lot.
#2381
sounds about right. i got around $3k off on mine. $2,500 of which came from the USAA discount. if you are a MBUSA member, gets you an additional $500 off if you have been a member over a year.
#2383
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#2384
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A new Review of the C450amg by Digital Trends is up with a surprise inside
#2385
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#2386
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Negotiate harder. Several of us on the forums have gotten sizable discounts. My total discount was around 10% off MSRP (Ohio). I was helped by the $2,000 from United for being an elite flyer. @tivoboy is in Cali and was recently looking at a C450, maybe he would be able to share details of his arrangements and which dealer?
#2387
whenever i have been in europe, Italy and Germany, most of the cars i would see were very base. Seemed that most of the mercedes we saw had cloth, and few options. much more so than here in the states. im guessing europe has more stripped down versions of cars than we get here??
So very often reviews are a bit negative when a new non local sporty car is released except for real beasts like Ferrari, Porsche or lomborghinis.
Not true however that cars are less optioned here but tastes are a bit different and I would say a bit more classical (you can't easily sell a red interior or fancy interior trim while it seems bau in the us).
#2388
A new Review of the C450amg by Digital Trends is up with a surprise inside
Btw how comes the car has 362hp in U.S. and 367 here in Europe ? Is it a different engine or just a different norm of measure?
#2389
I actually think the OE tune trap speed will surprise many...why? Look at the area under the curve, aka delta. From the chart I believe this car makes 300 whp on the heartbreaker dyno from 4500 which is decently early in the rev range. I mean in some spots the hp and tq has increased on average 30 whp and over 50 wtq across the band compared to the piggyback tune (not even comparing the stock map). That translates into some serious peppiness on the street. The car gets into more power earlier on, as well as more torque and holds it all the way up... Yes the top end number is barely changed but that's where people make mistakes...its not all about peak...area under the curve is far more important...
This is a picture of the stock dyno vs the OE tune...
Notice you are getting peak +100wtq increase, and roughly +50 whp gains...but when looking at the curve and how power levels matchup throughout the powerband you are getting even more HP throughout the range (in some spots roughly 70 whp increase)...
Again we are only talking numbers...comparing the tune to the numbers tuner cars (Evo/STis) put down on the same dyno shows the car is capable...we will see, a good driver on the track before and after a mod will show the difference. But to give you guys an idea what I am on about, visualize driving your car, and the "get up and go" you feel is at XXXX RPM...analyze the chart keeping in mind you are not only getting more "get up and go" but you are getting it are XXXX-1000 RPMs sooner...Peak stock power is made at what 6000 rpms? That ~260whp is made at 3700 rpms (just getting into the powerband) after the tune...actually very impressive.
This is a picture of the stock dyno vs the OE tune...
Notice you are getting peak +100wtq increase, and roughly +50 whp gains...but when looking at the curve and how power levels matchup throughout the powerband you are getting even more HP throughout the range (in some spots roughly 70 whp increase)...
Again we are only talking numbers...comparing the tune to the numbers tuner cars (Evo/STis) put down on the same dyno shows the car is capable...we will see, a good driver on the track before and after a mod will show the difference. But to give you guys an idea what I am on about, visualize driving your car, and the "get up and go" you feel is at XXXX RPM...analyze the chart keeping in mind you are not only getting more "get up and go" but you are getting it are XXXX-1000 RPMs sooner...Peak stock power is made at what 6000 rpms? That ~260whp is made at 3700 rpms (just getting into the powerband) after the tune...actually very impressive.
#2393
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Thanks for sharing. Nice review but I was expecting a bit more technical review especially that you recommended it. It focuses a bit too much about esthetics and not really about engine regime, suspensions, torque etc..
Btw how comes the car has 362hp in U.S. and 367 here in Europe ? Is it a different engine or just a different norm of measure?
Btw how comes the car has 362hp in U.S. and 367 here in Europe ? Is it a different engine or just a different norm of measure?
Also I have yet to find a good review of someone testing 0-60 with data to back it up. When I find one I will post. I may take the vbox to another users house and get solid numbers.
#2394
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*still waiting to hear from my dealer about my C450 being shipped on water.
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The area under the curve does't have much effect in drag racing after first gear.The rpm's never fall below 4200 on each up shift.The big bump in the torque curve occurs at a much lower rpm.This would improve acceleration when moving at lower speeds but I doubt it will make much diff in trap speed in the 1/4.
50 awhp considered low to around here, Will make a difference at any track... Period.
That should shave .5 seconds and trap atleast 5 mph higher than stock
50 awhp peak power increase is nothing to be ashame of.. 70 awhp across sections of the power band is great with just a tune.
#2396
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Fine power band is not affected in 1/4. But it will take in affect 1/3 mile and 1/2 pulls. Nobody stop racing another car cuz one reaches 1320' Real world power.
50 awhp considered low to around here, Will make a difference at any track... Period.
That should shave .5 seconds and trap atleast 5 mph higher than stock
50 awhp peak power increase is nothing to be ashame of.. 70 awhp across sections of the power band is great with just a tune.
50 awhp considered low to around here, Will make a difference at any track... Period.
That should shave .5 seconds and trap atleast 5 mph higher than stock
50 awhp peak power increase is nothing to be ashame of.. 70 awhp across sections of the power band is great with just a tune.
#2398
Congrats. Quick question tho, does your 'born on date' mean when production begins or finishes or is that one in the same? I'm not sure how long it takes to build a C450 but my production date is 12/8 with delivery in 6 weeks*.
*still waiting to hear from my dealer about my C450 being shipped on water.
*still waiting to hear from my dealer about my C450 being shipped on water.
when we did the tour thru the plant in germany, they said start to finish was 4 days.
very strange on your 6 week delivery. seems too long for alabama, but too short from germany (if you were getting a non us made vehicle). so not sure why they would tell you that. perhaps there is a california emission testing that has to be done.
#2399
strange they cant narrow that down over there. wonder if it would have been faster for you to order and pick it up in germany and take that nice drive back home to france.
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2016 C450; 2013 Honda Pilot
Car is in!
Pick up tomorrow:
Model: C450W4 $ 50,800
Paint 1: Black
Uph.: Black Leather w/Red Stitching
***** OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES *****
317 Interior Package $ 2,150
U25 : MB Illuminated Door Sill Panels
873 : Heated Front Seats
877 : Ambient Lighting
319 Lighting Package $ 800
608 : Intelligent Highbeam Control
640 : Active LED Headlamps
320 Multimedia Package $ 2,230
U71 : DVD Coding
502 : Navigation Map Updates included for 3-years
531 : COMAND w/Navigation and Voice Control
815 : COMAND DVD CD Single
389 Hands-Free Access Package $ 250
P17 : Keyless Go Control Code
871 : HANDS-FREE ACCESS
881 : Electronic Trunk Closer
996 Parking Assist Package $ 1,290
P44 : Parking Package (RVC & Parktronic)
235 : PARKTRONIC with Active Parking Assist
501 : Surround View Camera
997 Driver Assistance Package $ 2,250
23P : Driver Assistance Package
233 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
237 : Active Blind Spot Assist
238 : Active Lane Keeping Assist
253 : PRE-SAFE PLUS rear-end collision proteciton
266 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
268 : BAS PLUS w/Cross Traffic Assist
269 : Badging on Dashboard
271 : PRE-SAFE Plus
300 : PRE-SAFE® Brake
P02 Premium 2 Package $ 1,520
810 : Burmester® Surround Sound System
661 18" AMG® 5-Spoke Wheel - Black
739 Aluminum/High-Gloss Black
Subtotal $ 61,290
Destination & Delivery $ 925
Total $ 62,215
(Approximately $2250 USAA Discount)
Model: C450W4 $ 50,800
Paint 1: Black
Uph.: Black Leather w/Red Stitching
***** OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES *****
317 Interior Package $ 2,150
U25 : MB Illuminated Door Sill Panels
873 : Heated Front Seats
877 : Ambient Lighting
319 Lighting Package $ 800
608 : Intelligent Highbeam Control
640 : Active LED Headlamps
320 Multimedia Package $ 2,230
U71 : DVD Coding
502 : Navigation Map Updates included for 3-years
531 : COMAND w/Navigation and Voice Control
815 : COMAND DVD CD Single
389 Hands-Free Access Package $ 250
P17 : Keyless Go Control Code
871 : HANDS-FREE ACCESS
881 : Electronic Trunk Closer
996 Parking Assist Package $ 1,290
P44 : Parking Package (RVC & Parktronic)
235 : PARKTRONIC with Active Parking Assist
501 : Surround View Camera
997 Driver Assistance Package $ 2,250
23P : Driver Assistance Package
233 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
237 : Active Blind Spot Assist
238 : Active Lane Keeping Assist
253 : PRE-SAFE PLUS rear-end collision proteciton
266 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
268 : BAS PLUS w/Cross Traffic Assist
269 : Badging on Dashboard
271 : PRE-SAFE Plus
300 : PRE-SAFE® Brake
P02 Premium 2 Package $ 1,520
810 : Burmester® Surround Sound System
661 18" AMG® 5-Spoke Wheel - Black
739 Aluminum/High-Gloss Black
Subtotal $ 61,290
Destination & Delivery $ 925
Total $ 62,215
(Approximately $2250 USAA Discount)