Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Just find out the specs on the stck inj.I would call RC Engineering with the stck inj info and see if they can some how help you with the inj imp and ohm info!This should help you figure out the size inj and the other above mentioned info you would need to run the proper upgraded inj setup 
But still my question is why were'nt you able to continue using the stck inj when people are using the stck inj with the Kleeeman kit? Would'nt this have killed alot of the guess wrk that's going on now
Folks are really having a field day with this thread! It's just incredible and imop wounds HPS's rep especially concerning this 2nd gen kit.I just don't get it and at this pt it's very dissappointing.
If I were you Robert I would not ask or report anything more until after u get the final dyno run when or if you ever get your car and HPS bolt on sorted out!Just my advice.This is just Krazee!
But still my question is why were'nt you able to continue using the stck inj when people are using the stck inj with the Kleeeman kit? Would'nt this have killed alot of the guess wrk that's going on now Folks are really having a field day with this thread! It's just incredible and imop wounds HPS's rep especially concerning this 2nd gen kit.I just don't get it and at this pt it's very dissappointing. If I were you Robert I would not ask or report anything more until after u get the final dyno run when or if you ever get your car and HPS bolt on sorted out!Just my advice.This is just Krazee!
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Don't get nervous on me Carl, you hang in there. Be strong!
I also got a little worried when the race between you and Josh was mentioned!LOL! Is it all tru!Tell him you'll run him from a dig! I'm very interested in knowing how well both cars will run against each other.Josh's car also sounds impressive if it's that quick!
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Imagine if you bought a kit from Kleem or Renn and you had to deal with all this.Unbelievable and this was supposed to be an equivalent but cheaper alternative!
Sorry Carl. (no pun)
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
I also got a little worried when the race between you and Josh was mentioned!LOL! Is it all tru!Tell him you'll run him from a dig! I'm very interested in knowing how well both cars will run against each other.Josh's car also sounds impressive if it's that quick!
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I just called numerous Kleemann dealers and asked them how the non-ECU Kleemann works.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
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Originally Posted by JamE55
Equivalent? Sorry Carl. (no pun)
Sorry Carl. (no pun)
Originally Posted by AMGSC
I just called numerous Kleemann dealers and asked them how the non-ECU Kleemann works.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
Originally Posted by Josh K
It is very impressive :0) Also, keep in mind that mario is only about 15 horses up on me but also about 300 lbs. heavier. Next time you're in SoCal, I'll take you for a ride. And Mario and I will be doing a couple of runs in the near future :0)
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Well,perhaps in their minds or at least the impression I've been given! i'm not arguing that ,I'm only saying that they are using a modded ECU but with the stck injectors.Can someone confirm this?Josh please pm me the price of the kit and it's availabiliy! Sounds very good and I'm curious. Thanx!
i'm not arguing that ,I'm only saying that they are using a modded ECU but with the stck injectors.Can someone confirm this?Josh please pm me the price of the kit and it's availabiliy! Sounds very good and I'm curious. Thanx!I took your advice and went to the RC Engineering Web site. I used their formula to calculate what size injectors and found that if I wanted 500+ hp then I would need at least 44-46lb injectors. The formula is : (Desired HP x BSFE)/(No. of injectors x .80). This would yield (500hp x.6)/(8x.8) = 46.87lb injectors x 10.50 = 492cc injectors. The .6 is the lbs of fuel per hour per 1hp while the .8 (80% of continuous flow) is the maximum duty cycle most injectors can tolerate.
Based on this calculation. The 44lb injectors SHOULD correct the problems I hope.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Well,perhaps in their minds or at least the impression I've been given!
Originally Posted by AMGSC
Although Josh Hill (DraganAMG-who sold his 55K S7car? WHY?)
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Originally Posted by JamE55
Not true. I've had my s/c kit (stock ecu) for over a year now and am very happy with it and never had a single problem.
I'm not challenging you or other Kleemann owners but just trying to find the best solution for myself and also provide some facts for other MB owners who are still sitting on the fence as it relates to Superchargering thier rides. Giving forum members information to make their own unbiased decisions is what I am trying to accomplish. If I've made mistakes with my choice then I certaintly will not and have not been bashful about revealing my problems. I have many choices when it comes to adding more power and I am looking at every option.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
So did you apply some workaround solution? like HoP's Split Second, Super FMU, Boost-A-Bump combination or did you hire a programmer to change the settings on your factory ECU?
I'm not challenging you or other Kleemann owners but just trying to find the best solution for myself and also provide some facts for other MB owners who are still sitting on the fence as it relates to Superchargering thier rides. Giving forum members information to make their own unbiased decisions is what I am trying to accomplish. If I've made mistakes with my choice then I certaintly will not and have not been bashful about revealing my problems. I have many choices when it comes to adding more power and I am looking at every option.
The thing i don't understand about the HPS II kit is that they are advertising this kit for your C55 application but how come you're running into all these problems? Shouldn't HPS have gone through testing before releasing this kit as someone mentioned before? Robert just think of how much downtime you have already gone through. I really hope HPS can come through with all what they're doing to your car. Again good luck and pls keep us posted. We're all crossing our fingers for you!
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I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump
I took your advice and went to the RC Engineering Web site. I used their formula to calculate what size injectors and found that if I wanted 500+ hp then I would need at least 44-46lb injectors. The formula is : (Desired HP x BSFE)/(No. of injectors x .80). This would yield (500hp x.6)/(8x.8) = 46.87lb injectors x 10.50 = 492cc injectors. The .6 is the lbs of fuel per hour per 1hp while the .8 (80% of continuous flow) is the maximum duty cycle most injectors can tolerate.
Based on this calculation. The 44lb injectors SHOULD correct the problems I hope.
Based on this calculation. The 44lb injectors SHOULD correct the problems I hope.
The thing i don't understand about the HPS II kit is that they are advertising this kit for your C55 application but how come you're running into all these problems? Shouldn't HPS have gone through testing before releasing this kit as someone mentioned before? Robert just think of how much downtime you have already gone through. I really hope HPS can come through with all what they're doing to your car. Again good luck and pls keep us posted. We're all crossing our fingers for you!
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I took your advice and went to the RC Engineering Web site. I used their formula to calculate what size injectors and found that if I wanted 500+ hp then I would need at least 44-46lb injectors. The formula is : (Desired HP x BSFE)/(No. of injectors x .80). This would yield (500hp x.6)/(8x.8) = 46.87lb injectors x 10.50 = 492cc injectors. The .6 is the lbs of fuel per hour per 1hp while the .8 (80% of continuous flow) is the maximum duty cycle most injectors can tolerate.
Based on this calculation. The 44lb injectors SHOULD correct the problems I hope.
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Originally Posted by JamE55
Robert just think of how much downtime you have already gone through.
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Originally Posted by Richard023
The included HPS heat exchanger (ala oil cooler) in my kit was not so much of a problem but rather a limiting factor, it didn't function up to par...just my 2 cents. I discuss this with both Adam and Bill, so I do wonder if they have improved upon the early production kits. Not much you can upgrade on the intercooler core without having to redesign the manifold plenum.
Robert....if you do have photos don't hesitate to share them.
Robert....if you do have photos don't hesitate to share them.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I just called numerous Kleemann dealers and asked them how the non-ECU Kleemann works.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
Everyone of them told me that they seldom ever sell a Kleemann Kit without the ECU. The few non-ECU SC installs that were sold never ran right and eventually the owners had to purchase the ECU addition (+$1,000+installation).
I think this confirms the fact that no SUPERCHARGER will run right without either an ECU upgrade or some workaround solution such as using Split Second, Super FMU and Boost-A-Pump.
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Originally Posted by SLVRBLT43K
No need for an ECU upgrade on my car with a Kleemann SC, stock ECU is just fine. Why don't you come to HoP and checkout my car, let's compare our Dynos and do a couple of runs.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I already got my answer on the basic Kleemann SC. The kit comes with a FMU (Fuel Management Unit) instead of a ECU mod. However Cory told me that if you want over 530 hp then you must buy the S2 kit with the ECU mod and LARGER INJECTORS. I see that you have the Headers, Cams AND Exhaust also so it would'nt be a fair comparison yet. Why did'nt you mod the ECU? Please post your dyno chart. I will do the same when I get my car back. BTW...As you can see I've already signed up to GTG Dyno day (number 13). I think you are listed right after me. If my car's dyno results suck then I'm going with the 2007 C63 and wait for the Supercharger for that model that's been proven and tested.
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Jam, where do you sign up for the dyno day?
Here ya Go...
https://mbworld.org/forums/events-gatherings/135534-feeler-dyno-day.html
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Originally Posted by The Godfather
I heard JamE55 has 600WHP. Who's gonna dyno his car and clown him?
Originally Posted by JamE55
Mark,
So far i'm in unless something comes up. Also i said i'm hoping for 600hp NOT 600RWHP. Because if that's the case then i should be making close to 700hp crank which i'm not.
So far i'm in unless something comes up. Also i said i'm hoping for 600hp NOT 600RWHP. Because if that's the case then i should be making close to 700hp crank which i'm not.
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Originally Posted by JR1
Yep we learned from our mistakes. More than I can say for you...... Pipe Dreams come to mind
Thank you Josh, your LOST is our gain. Tuning is COMPLTETED !!! "Those you laught last, laught the BEST" !!!
I MUST say, Jesse was AWESOME !!! Even thought we all waited for 3 weeks now for the final result of tuning. The actual times that the car is on the dyno for Jesse to tune it, is about 16 hrs. total !!!!
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I am glad to see there is progress. I am also glad to see that Jesse was able to help you out in this case.
Questions:
Will HPS pick up the tab for custom tuning for all previously purchased HPS systems? It seems like this is not the only HPS system out there with problems. Will HPS be providing custom tuning in ALL their kits sold in the future also?
thanks,
Dan ****
Questions:
Will HPS pick up the tab for custom tuning for all previously purchased HPS systems? It seems like this is not the only HPS system out there with problems. Will HPS be providing custom tuning in ALL their kits sold in the future also?
thanks,
Dan ****
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
I am glad to see there is progress. I am also glad to see that Jesse was able to help you out in this case.
Questions:
1) Will HPS pick up the tab for custom tuning for all previously purchased HPS systems?
2) It seems like this is not the only HPS system out there with problems. Will HPS be providing custom tuning in ALL their kits sold in the future also?
thanks,
Dan ****
Questions:
1) Will HPS pick up the tab for custom tuning for all previously purchased HPS systems?
2) It seems like this is not the only HPS system out there with problems. Will HPS be providing custom tuning in ALL their kits sold in the future also?
thanks,
Dan ****
1) Yes, only if you have problem.
2) Yes, on those future kits only on engine that need it.
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
I am glad to see there is progress. I am also glad to see that Jesse was able to help you out in this case.
Jesse...........i can't say enough about him as a person and his works. Josh, here's a piece of advice to why he can't help you............you got to have the hardware right !!! Just like HPS system, they sorted out the hardware and Jesse did the rest.
