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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 06:01 PM
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any pics of you sl55k intake? Sounds very interesting
I'm out of town till Tuesday. I'll post pics as soon as I get back.
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 06:34 PM
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Bummer....I actually just ran into the guy I raced again. Apparently he was stock :/

On second thought, i dont remember my pedal ever touching the floor so still not bad

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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by benzslo
I used a 2000 e55 motor.
cams from a 209 clk55


It runs out really well. the clk cams helped it pull to redline much better, before it'd get a little flat.

I've driven a lot of 55's and many since I did the conversion to my car, I don't think I've felt a better pull from any other n/a 55.
What are the specs on the 209 cams compared to the original 2k E55 cams?
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 10:15 PM
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Couldn't tell you. They are on this site somewhere though. I can tell you specs only tell a very small story to a cam profile.

You can look at shift points for the early 55's, they are all lower than the 209, 203, 171. Shift point for the later 55 matches the stock c43 programming much better. High flow exhaust helps also.
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by benzslo
Couldn't tell you. They are on this site somewhere though. I can tell you specs only tell a very small story to a cam profile.

You can look at shift points for the early 55's, they are all lower than the 209, 203, 171. Shift point for the later 55 matches the stock c43 programming much better. High flow exhaust helps also.
I noticed a huge difference in my car with the exhaust upgrade alone when I went with just changing the secondary cats all the way to the tail pipes, that alone made the car feel like I upgraded the cams when I did not at the time.

The difference was truly noticeable throughout the whole rpm range to redline with the stock cams and even a little more so when I added the kleemann headers. I had installed the kleemann(Shrick) cams ,car felt somewhat better but after a while it started running kinda lean up top.


Put the stock cams back in and just seemed to run much much better. So for me my thoughts were that the stock exhaust was more of a restriction vs the stock cams.
I will get a set of cams from the later m113 motors and spec them , I know PTE did extensive research on the stock cams in his stock 209 clk 55, e55 k cams,kleemann cams, and then finally designed his PTE cams. We had long discussions about this quite a few years ago.
As far as I know ALL the n/a 5.4 l cars have the same part number for the stock cams , the difference more so lied in the newer stock ecu and tcu programming (which included pushing up the redline)and how it matched up the shift points with the motor better in the later n/a cars.Not to mention that the overall exhaust and air intake setup is also better designed on the later cars on top of having a little higher compression.

My conclusion is that an exhaust upgrade on these cars from stock to 3 inches secondary cats included with 2.5 inch metallic cats makes these motors happy. just my thoughts and experience.

Yes I understand cam specs would only be a little part of the whole pie guess I just question whether there truly is a difference in the n/a stock cams throughout the years.

I think I did hear that the black series SLK55 may have had a camshaft and spring upgrade in that m113 motor but I have to look into that just to re-verify.
if you found info on the the later year cams being different then all I can say is nice find,interesting,because I have never heard that will look into it.

Finally want to bring up another car on the forum with stock cams in his w208 clk55 that runs 12,s but has custom headers and dual either 2.5 or 3inch exhaust headers back. He is a friend of Ahmad's (blackclk) 10 second kleemann s/c car. We talked about how these cars seem to wake up when exhaust changes are made especially with how wild this guy had gone with his exhaust. Guess the exhaust swap alone with track results spoke for itself.
However will look into seeing if there is a cam difference just never heard of it other than the ones in the prior mentioned slk55 black series car.

sorry for the long winded commentary! I think it is all great discussion though.

Interesting thread on the slk55 bs on some of the things I touched on
https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r17...-slk55-bs.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r17...ml#post2143215

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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PJmak
Bummer....I actually just ran into the guy I raced again. Apparently he was stock :/

On second thought, i dont remember my pedal ever touching the floor so still not bad
Stock they do 0 to 60 in 5.3 to 5.6, 13.9 to 14.1 in the quarter mile. Thats almost identical to what a stock 43 does. 55 swap is whole different game

They sold stock mopar performance ecu upgrades for those that increased power quite a bit. Would still appear to be stock, too, being an OE upgrade.
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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ProjectC55 can you share a picture of your exhaust setup please?
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sulaco
Stock they do 0 to 60 in 5.3 to 5.6, 13.9 to 14.1 in the quarter mile. Thats almost identical to what a stock 43 does. 55 swap is whole different game

They sold stock mopar performance ecu upgrades for those that increased power quite a bit. Would still appear to be stock, too, being an OE upgrade.

Yea off line they will probably beat the c43 but I dont think they would from a roll. This guy came up to me yelling "you got me bro". Maybe I got him better than I thought lol....
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PJmak
ProjectC55 can you share a picture of your exhaust setup please?
I'd have to search but just change the secondary cats back and you will be good. 3,

High flow dual secondary 2.5" or 3" cats to a 2.5" or 3" y pipe to a 3" muffler. Anyone looking for a vibrant stock looking dual tip 3" muffler I have two brand new ones in the box. link below

https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...haust-mod.html

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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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Read through it and took a screenshot of the parts list on second page.

Whats is sound like?
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ProjectC55
I noticed a huge difference in my car with the exhaust upgrade alone when I went with just changing the secondary cats all the way to the tail pipes, that alone made the car feel like I upgraded the cams when I did not at the time.

The difference was truly noticeable throughout the whole rpm range to redline with the stock cams and even a little more so when I added the kleemann headers. I had installed the kleemann(Shrick) cams ,car felt somewhat better but after a while it started running kinda lean up top.


Put the stock cams back in and just seemed to run much much better. So for me my thoughts were that the stock exhaust was more of a restriction vs the stock cams.
I will get a set of cams from the later m113 motors and spec them , I know PTE did extensive research on the stock cams in his stock 209 clk 55, e55 k cams,kleemann cams, and then finally designed his PTE cams. We had long discussions about this quite a few years ago.
As far as I know ALL the n/a 5.4 l cars have the same part number for the stock cams , the difference more so lied in the newer stock ecu and tcu programming (which included pushing up the redline)and how it matched up the shift points with the motor better in the later n/a cars.Not to mention that the overall exhaust and air intake setup is also better designed on the later cars on top of having a little higher compression.

My conclusion is that an exhaust upgrade on these cars from stock to 3 inches secondary cats included with 2.5 inch metallic cats makes these motors happy. just my thoughts and experience.

Yes I understand cam specs would only be a little part of the whole pie guess I just question whether there truly is a difference in the n/a stock cams throughout the years.

I think I did hear that the black series SLK55 may have had a camshaft and spring upgrade in that m113 motor but I have to look into that just to re-verify.
if you found info on the the later year cams being different then all I can say is nice find,interesting,because I have never heard that will look into it.

Finally want to bring up another car on the forum with stock cams in his w208 clk55 that runs 12,s but has custom headers and dual either 2.5 or 3inch exhaust headers back. He is a friend of Ahmad's (blackclk) 10 second kleemann s/c car. We talked about how these cars seem to wake up when exhaust changes are made especially with how wild this guy had gone with his exhaust. Guess the exhaust swap alone with track results spoke for itself.
However will look into seeing if there is a cam difference just never heard of it other than the ones in the prior mentioned slk55 black series car.

sorry for the long winded commentary! I think it is all great discussion though.

Interesting thread on the slk55 bs on some of the things I touched on
https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r17...-slk55-bs.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r17...ml#post2143215
Yes the 209 cams I referenced are the ones out of pte's car.

There is definitely a difference with cams from the early models to the later ones. Check part numbers, they are different and do not supercede to eachother. I did measure the overall lift and remember they were slightly different. And my results speak for themselves. I did the cams after I had exhaust and driving the car a long time. I noticed a slightly softer bottom end and pulled harder to redline without the flat feeling above 5000-5500. It was a subtle change but easily noticeable if you're in tune with your car.
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Old Apr 11, 2015 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by benzslo
Yes the 209 cams I referenced are the ones out of pte's car.

There is definitely a difference with cams from the early models to the later ones. Check part numbers, they are different and do not supercede to eachother. I did measure the overall lift and remember they were slightly different. And my results speak for themselves. I did the cams after I had exhaust and driving the car a long time. I noticed a slightly softer bottom end and pulled harder to redline without the flat feeling above 5000-5500. It was a subtle change but easily noticeable if you're in tune with your car.
ok will look into them. Interesting.
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 06:36 AM
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Hi Carl!

You already know about my car as you were instrumental with helping me piece things together...

My conversion was done to my 2000 CLK 430 back in 2008. I've since raised the compression slightly by shaving the heads after I fixed a head gasket problem. I don't have the numbers, but it's definately made a difference.

Here's my specs:

Fully Loaded (except contour seats),
2013 E63 AMG 7 spoke alloys (235/35/19 - 285/30/19 tyres).
2007 CLK AMG 55 front bumper and Brabus rear bumper and spoiler, bootlip spoiler,
2004 E55 AMG Performance Package Brembo 8 pot calipers with Brembo (2 piece) 360mm discs and ceramic pads.
KW V2 suspension struts and springs, Bilstein anti roll bar front and rear, Custom front and rear strut braces, Wiechers rear strut bar (added stiffness) K-Mac adjustable bushes front and rear.
Custom EMP Performance long tube headers into gradual 2.5in 'Y' pipe into 3in straight pipe with two 200 cell 'bullet' cats exiting a twin exhaust.
55 N/A AMG Engine swap, Schrick cams, Custom Art of Speed ECU tune, AMS Crank pulley, Evosport underdrive pulleys, Custom cold air feed, Clutch radiator fan replaced by SPAL electric race fan conversion, Custom LPG conversion, Sprint booster, AEM Water/Methanol Injection, Magnecor KV85 race ignition leads.
Custom clear 'Halo' Xenon headlights with 2013 E63 AMG Lenses (with DRL LEDs), 4300k bulbs, 35w ballast. CLK W209 fogs, Smoked LED tail lights and LED rear indicators, Brabus puddle lights, LED mirror indicators, LED instrument cluster, Custom Brabus dials, LED interior lights,
Custom hard top, padded Leather lined, grooved head liner with reading lights and glass rear window with demist,
Chrome gear shift, gate, instrument cluster rings, door pins and pedals,
Birdseye maple gear knob, sports steering wheel and door handles,
Original grille painted black.
W209 style single wiper blade.
Blue top Transmission solenoids for faster/firmer gear changes.
UPD 3000 Stall Converter.

I did a dyno a few years ago and she put down 375hp/ 503tq to the wheels. Since the compression raise I'd say (seat of pants feel) another 20hp/15tq.

Most recent kills were M3 V8, Porsche 911s (2008), W209 CLK55 (Kleemann headers and tune), Tuned plus exhaust W208 CLK55, Aston Martin Vantage (430hp). I didn't pass them as they pulled over but recently I was right up the tail pipes of a Lamborghini convertable Gallardo, Ferrari 360 and Highly modified Flame spitting Mazda Rx7 all were north of 130mph before they realised they couldn't drop me!

Mexico has great roads!
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pauljay
Hi Carl!

You already know about my car as you were instrumental with helping me piece things together...

My conversion was done to my 2000 CLK 430 back in 2008. I've since raised the compression slightly by shaving the heads after I fixed a head gasket problem. I don't have the numbers, but it's definately made a difference.

Here's my specs:

Fully Loaded (except contour seats),
2013 E63 AMG 7 spoke alloys (235/35/19 - 285/30/19 tyres).
2007 CLK AMG 55 front bumper and Brabus rear bumper and spoiler, bootlip spoiler,
2004 E55 AMG Performance Package Brembo 8 pot calipers with Brembo (2 piece) 360mm discs and ceramic pads.
KW V2 suspension struts and springs, Bilstein anti roll bar front and rear, Custom front and rear strut braces, Wiechers rear strut bar (added stiffness) K-Mac adjustable bushes front and rear.
Custom EMP Performance long tube headers into gradual 2.5in 'Y' pipe into 3in straight pipe with two 200 cell 'bullet' cats exiting a twin exhaust.
55 N/A AMG Engine swap, Schrick cams, Custom Art of Speed ECU tune, AMS Crank pulley, Evosport underdrive pulleys, Custom cold air feed, Clutch radiator fan replaced by SPAL electric race fan conversion, Custom LPG conversion, Sprint booster, AEM Water/Methanol Injection, Magnecor KV85 race ignition leads.
Custom clear 'Halo' Xenon headlights with 2013 E63 AMG Lenses (with DRL LEDs), 4300k bulbs, 35w ballast. CLK W209 fogs, Smoked LED tail lights and LED rear indicators, Brabus puddle lights, LED mirror indicators, LED instrument cluster, Custom Brabus dials, LED interior lights,
Custom hard top, padded Leather lined, grooved head liner with reading lights and glass rear window with demist,
Chrome gear shift, gate, instrument cluster rings, door pins and pedals,
Birdseye maple gear knob, sports steering wheel and door handles,
Original grille painted black.
W209 style single wiper blade.
Blue top Transmission solenoids for faster/firmer gear changes.
UPD 3000 Stall Converter.

I did a dyno a few years ago and she put down 375hp/ 503tq to the wheels. Since the compression raise I'd say (seat of pants feel) another 20hp/15tq.

Most recent kills were M3 V8, Porsche 911s (2008), W209 CLK55 (Kleemann headers and tune), Tuned plus exhaust W208 CLK55, Aston Martin Vantage (430hp). I didn't pass them as they pulled over but recently I was right up the tail pipes of a Lamborghini convertable Gallardo, Ferrari 360 and Highly modified Flame spitting Mazda Rx7 all were north of 130mph before they realised they couldn't drop me!

Mexico has great roads!
Awesome build!! Very interesting point on the shaved heads and increased compression. No worried it may be overstressing the stock rotating assembly or valves? Pardon my ignorance!

And how did you get the bumpers off a w209 AMG fit a w208? Seems like they would never line up right!
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pauljay
Hi Carl!

You already know about my car as you were instrumental with helping me piece things together...

My conversion was done to my 2000 CLK 430 back in 2008. I've since raised the compression slightly by shaving the heads after I fixed a head gasket problem. I don't have the numbers, but it's definately made a difference.

Here's my specs:

Fully Loaded (except contour seats),
2013 E63 AMG 7 spoke alloys (235/35/19 - 285/30/19 tyres).
2007 CLK AMG 55 front bumper and Brabus rear bumper and spoiler, bootlip spoiler,
2004 E55 AMG Performance Package Brembo 8 pot calipers with Brembo (2 piece) 360mm discs and ceramic pads.
KW V2 suspension struts and springs, Bilstein anti roll bar front and rear, Custom front and rear strut braces, Wiechers rear strut bar (added stiffness) K-Mac adjustable bushes front and rear.
Custom EMP Performance long tube headers into gradual 2.5in 'Y' pipe into 3in straight pipe with two 200 cell 'bullet' cats exiting a twin exhaust.
55 N/A AMG Engine swap, Schrick cams, Custom Art of Speed ECU tune, AMS Crank pulley, Evosport underdrive pulleys, Custom cold air feed, Clutch radiator fan replaced by SPAL electric race fan conversion, Custom LPG conversion, Sprint booster, AEM Water/Methanol Injection, Magnecor KV85 race ignition leads.
Custom clear 'Halo' Xenon headlights with 2013 E63 AMG Lenses (with DRL LEDs), 4300k bulbs, 35w ballast. CLK W209 fogs, Smoked LED tail lights and LED rear indicators, Brabus puddle lights, LED mirror indicators, LED instrument cluster, Custom Brabus dials, LED interior lights,
Custom hard top, padded Leather lined, grooved head liner with reading lights and glass rear window with demist,
Chrome gear shift, gate, instrument cluster rings, door pins and pedals,
Birdseye maple gear knob, sports steering wheel and door handles,
Original grille painted black.
W209 style single wiper blade.
Blue top Transmission solenoids for faster/firmer gear changes.
UPD 3000 Stall Converter.

I did a dyno a few years ago and she put down 375hp/ 503tq to the wheels. Since the compression raise I'd say (seat of pants feel) another 20hp/15tq.

Most recent kills were M3 V8, Porsche 911s (2008), W209 CLK55 (Kleemann headers and tune), Tuned plus exhaust W208 CLK55, Aston Martin Vantage (430hp). I didn't pass them as they pulled over but recently I was right up the tail pipes of a Lamborghini convertable Gallardo, Ferrari 360 and Highly modified Flame spitting Mazda Rx7 all were north of 130mph before they realised they couldn't drop me!

Mexico has great roads!
Paul Jay your car sounds truly wicked. I am sure most of us wish you only posted a build thread of that lovely beast.
pics of her and the mods would be a wonderful treat
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Old Apr 15, 2015 | 03:02 PM
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Old Apr 15, 2015 | 11:08 PM
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iam so glad I did the 55 engine





Man I love this car
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Old Apr 16, 2015 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pauljay
I did a dyno a few years ago and she put down 375hp/ 503tq to the wheels. Since the compression raise I'd say (seat of pants feel) another 20hp/15tq.
I assume that's Nm, not ft/lbs right? Even though I want to believe it's ft/lbs...
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 05:02 AM
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Hi Sulaco

Thanks for your comment!

From experience (with friends cars and knowledge gain from research) the bottom end of the Amg engine is very robust and can handle much more than the output.

I wanted to raise the compression more but valve clearance became an issue!

The motor uses a little more oil but it is looked after and serviced well.

My bumpers car custom. I bought the W209 bumper and had a fabricator cut the top off my W208 and mate them.
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 05:13 AM
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Hi Carl!

Thanks for the compliment! Without your input this wouldn't have happened! I remember calling you up a couple of times from London at 8am asking for help!..

I was going to do a build thread way back when, but I came across ECU problems immediately. My motor wouldn't run properly above 4000 revs as the ECU believed it was a 430 still.

In the UK I was the 1st person to attempt this conversion and even the dealership doubted it could be done!

I wanted the job done right and paid through the nose to have the dealership tidy the electical side up after having an Indie do the engine swap.

It took the dealership 6 weeks to figure everything out and make it run as factory!

I'll post some pics up soon, although most of what I've done you can see in my album.
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 05:15 AM
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Special shout out to Raw1879!

He knows his stuff and has done a lot of work on my car!
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 05:43 AM
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Hi nd4spd13

Ha ha ha! That is lbs/ft my friend!!

The guy that tuned my car is a genius! He is a freelance tuner I met a few years ago. He has worked for some big named race teams as well as rally teams. Unfortunately he retired last year and emergrated to Portugal.

He deleted the torque limiter in the 1st two gears in order to get this figure. We checked with Brabus if the 722.6 transmission could handle the torque before going ahead. Brabus said that 600lbs was possible although a rebuild would be necessary.

He wanted to push the limits but couldn't access the older EG51 TCU program. Unlike the newer EG52 it is not programmable without writing completely new commands which would have been very costly and time consuming. Our cars are very technical and both TCU and ECU talk to eachother before certain actions are carried out such as gear changes and shift points. Which reminds me, he raised my redline to 6500.
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Old Apr 22, 2015 | 03:19 PM
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My SL55 intake on a w208 55 swap.

To make this work you will need to reverse the rubber couplings. You will need to trim the front cover as well.
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Old Apr 22, 2015 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pauljay
Hi nd4spd13

Ha ha ha! That is lbs/ft my friend!!

The guy that tuned my car is a genius! He is a freelance tuner I met a few years ago. He has worked for some big named race teams as well as rally teams. Unfortunately he retired last year and emergrated to Portugal.

He deleted the torque limiter in the 1st two gears in order to get this figure. We checked with Brabus if the 722.6 transmission could handle the torque before going ahead. Brabus said that 600lbs was possible although a rebuild would be necessary.

He wanted to push the limits but couldn't access the older EG51 TCU program. Unlike the newer EG52 it is not programmable without writing completely new commands which would have been very costly and time consuming. Our cars are very technical and both TCU and ECU talk to eachother before certain actions are carried out such as gear changes and shift points. Which reminds me, he raised my redline to 6500.
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55K intakes are the best air upgrade for any M112/M113, IMO..

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