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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 04:33 AM
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And the rumor is the M5 is at the limit and the reason BMW has the ecu encrypted so well, which still hasn't been cracked, is to protect the tranny from tuners grenading it.

OE Tuning just tuned one last week its OBD2 and takes couple of minutes to flash it and also same for DCT flash. (check the youtube channel)

Regarding new C V8 4.0L TT engine, its 485hp and can be tuned to 580hp

im not sure about the tranny but i recall it may be DCT


i hope its a bads$$ car like the current C in looks
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 10:29 AM
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That's a pretty bold statement considering the engine is not public yet.
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by forcefed6.4ford
That's a pretty bold statement considering the engine is not public yet.

I think he was talking about tuning the M5
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by callmiro
I think he was talking about tuning the M5
Re read his post. In particular, 4.0tt V8 rated at 485hp tunable to...
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ali_E55

Regarding new C V8 4.0L TT engine, its 485hp and can be tuned to 580hp

im not sure about the tranny but i recall it may be DCT
Thank for posting.
Can you please tell us more and the source of your info?
Thanks again.
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 02:57 PM
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Thank for posting.
Can you please tell us more and the source of your info?
Thanks again.
Sounds like speculation at best to me.
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 09:15 PM
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Mercedes-Benz to kill twin-turbo V8 5.5-liter after current-gen S63 AMG - report

2014 Mercedes-Benz S63 AMG 17.07.2013

Could be replaced by a hybridized V8 4.0

Mercedes-Benz will allegedly drop the twin-turbo V8 5.5-liter after the current-gen S63 AMG.
The M157 is a Euro 6-compliant twin-turbo V8 5.5-liter gasoline engineoutputting 585 bhp (436 kW) and 900 Nm (664 lb-ft) in the 2014 S63 AMG. According to AMG chief Tobias Moers, the mill cannot receive a power hike without a negative impact on its reliability.
He refused to mention if other S-Class models will receive this engine but it is believed the AMG versions of the forthcoming coupe and convertible will also get it, along with updated versions of cars which already have this engine, like the CLS 63 AMG and E63 AMG.
Chances are we won't see it in the next-gen E-Class (due in 2016) or other brand new models outside the S-Class family. The all-new C-Class will get an AMG version powered by what is believed to be a V8 4.0-liter developed by bonding two 4-cylinder 2.0-liter turbocharged engines from the A45 AMG. The same power unit is expected to reside under the hood of the 911 competitor known internally as the C190 which will probably receive the SLC moniker.
CarSales believes big AMG models will feature a hybridized version of the aforementioned V8 4.0-liter engine based on Moers' statement according to which hybrid and electric power are part of AMG's future.
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 02:43 PM
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Meh, I have no issues with hybridized engines, especially considering what Porsche just dropped on the world.
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 03:02 PM
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Meh, I have no issues with hybridized engines, especially considering what Porsche just dropped on the world.
Be careful though, it only achieves that power when the batteries are fully charged to drive the electric motors in Hot Lap mode, which according to their documents will only last ~16 miles. It's charged by plugging the car in or siphoning power from the gas engine. If the batteries are dead it only puts out a more meager ~580 hp and 370 tq. If it's siphoning power from the v8 to charge the batteries to power the electric motors you won't have full power either, which is in every mode except Hot Lap. It's a shell game. I got invited to join their 918 VIP program and they sent me this big book detailing how it all works.

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Old Oct 7, 2013 | 05:53 PM
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Did you guys noticed that on some of the latest spy pics that the rotors are also higher up in front and a bit lower in the back?

wonder if they will move it to the front like the CLA and SLS.. the test mule calipers are ginormous.
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Old Nov 25, 2013 | 07:28 PM
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Any new updates? Just saw some pics of the new C class but didn't hear anything confirming C63 engine/drivetrain.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 09:17 AM
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I m also wondering what will be the price of the new c63 if done in awd... I suspect it will have a huge price bump and will be similar to the rs5 (all speculation right now)
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by CoOlSlY
I m also wondering what will be the price of the new c63 if done in awd... I suspect it will have a huge price bump and will be similar to the rs5 (all speculation right now)


That would be an incorrect assumption, when all you have to do is look at the 2014 E63 and CLS63 which went 4MATIC, without the hefty price increase.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by callmiro
That would be an incorrect assumption, when all you have to do is look at the 2014 E63 and CLS63 which went 4MATIC, without the hefty price increase.
You might be right! I think for a version that is supposed to be released in less than a year, we don't have a lot of infos so far... We don't even know for sure which engine and if AWD will be available for sure... Hopefully the price will stay similar to what it is.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 11:10 AM
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What you talkin' 'bout Willis? The engine/drivetrain layout has been confirmed by Mercedes already. They just haven't given hp/trq figures yet.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by forcefed6.4ford
What you talkin' 'bout Willis? The engine/drivetrain layout has been confirmed by Mercedes already. They just haven't given hp/trq figures yet.
Oh yeah, where's the official and confirmed infos about the engine/drivetrain? I would add, an article was stating "There will be no AWD version" (from a MB official) and then, a few weeks later, another MB spokesperson say "We plan on an AWD model" so really waiting to see some official infos on engine/drivetrain...
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 01:50 PM
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The spy shots of the C AMG have the HUGE flat disk behind the caliper like the E63 and S63 4matic cars. It pretty much a foregone conclusion that 4matic will be there for the C AMG.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 03:09 PM
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Yup...they talked about this at the PL gathering....I'll be trading mine in for sure haha
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CoOlSlY
Oh yeah, where's the official and confirmed infos about the engine/drivetrain? I would add, an article was stating "There will be no AWD version" (from a MB official) and then, a few weeks later, another MB spokesperson say "We plan on an AWD model" so really waiting to see some official infos on engine/drivetrain...


Throw this in google and feast away. "official 205 C63 AMG"


Plus there are numerous threads here with links to support the 4.0TT and AWD layout.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 07:40 PM
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I heard this today. 4.0 l, bi-turbo, about 449 hp, no 4-matic.

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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 08:19 PM
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Why would they make the next generation C63 with less hp than the previous model? I don't think so. I heard 493 hp w/AWD. Most articles support this saying upwards of 500 hp.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 06:48 AM
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Why would they make the next generation C63 with less hp than the previous model? I don't think so. I heard 493 hp w/AWD. Most articles support this saying upwards of 500 hp.
I hope so. I was disappointed when I heard it won't have 4-matic.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dremorg
Why would they make the next generation C63 with less hp than the previous model? I don't think so. I heard 493 hp w/AWD. Most articles support this saying upwards of 500 hp.
It'll be a combination of different things:

How much power M3 puts out?
How much performance does M3 squeak out.
And Also, the classic, bump over the W204 C63.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by forcefed6.4ford
Throw this in google and feast away. "official 205 C63 AMG"


Plus there are numerous threads here with links to support the 4.0TT and AWD layout.
Might not be "so official" if I read the posts after you, two states that it will not be 4-Matic... I still think it's unofficial if it will have AWD or not (for the engine, at first there were talk about the 5.5TT but now it looks like it will really be the 4.0TT
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 09:46 AM
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Non 4MATIC would be awesome and a lot more fun to drive. But it seems like 4MATIC will definitely be in every 4 door. Just look at all the updates that have happened....


  • 2014 S63 4MATIC
  • 2014 CLS63 4MATIC
  • 2014 E63 4MATIC
  • 2014 CLA45 4MATIC
  • 2014 A45 4MATIC
I know some European markets can get the new E63 in rear drive, but I'm just reading the writing on the wall. AMG sees a big performance advantage in 4MATIC especially with high HP models. The journalists all crave that miniscule 0-60 number and 4MATIC gives them that.


When it comes to drivetrain, I don't really think AMG gives a crap about BMW, because you can see that AMG still prefers more displacement, augmented by a more efficient tranny and boost.

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