Rowrbazzle

The 212-hate is out in full force...in a thread about BMW's.

Kain

Not bad overall. However, the rear looks a bit like the Lexus IS. Can't wait for the M5. It's going to be a MONSTER. How come Mercedes-Benz didn't give more power to the W212 E63 AMG? How do they expect to compete with the upcoming M5 which I think is rumored to have close to 600 hp?

gaazmon

People used to confuse our W203 C230 with our W215 CL500. Especially since the previous gen C, E, CLK, CL, SL all had somewhat similar head lights (E, CL had quad and C, CLK, SL had dual but with a quad look in a way).

Ya, MBs depreciate like crazy. I think BMWs hold their value the best out of the 3. The S AMGs hold their value not bad compared to the CL ones. Lol, I remember after the 05-06 CL65 came out. Those were the worse. I feel bad for whoever bought one of those new.

gaazmon

That 63 engine is just waiting to be killed off. Same with the V12s, it's only a matter of time. Remember the rumors about MB AMG bringing a V8 twin turbo to replace the 63 and 65 engines. I even think the rumors said they were going to use the M113 5.0L V8 and slap on twin turbos on that thing. Imagine the BMW V8 twin turbo is only 4.4L for both the 7 series (which pushes 400hp) and for the X5/X6M's (which push 550 hp). However, the predicted numbers for the AMG V8 TT were even better if I remember correctly. I just can't wait to see those engines come out on the market. The torque numbers were astronomical.

K-A

If you can't tell a difference between an F10 and 3-Series, you're not really a "car person". So my point still stands.

mbchris

I agree - if anything, it looks more like a 7 series.

In fact, the current 7 series owners are a little miffed that basically every tech item from the 7 series, can be had on the new 5 series - and more - 8 speed sport auto tranny. All in a car that looks too close to the 7er, is going to be much cheaper, and has an extended wheelbase over the current 5er.

mbchris

I think most folks don't think the new F10 BMW is a good thing - but it is - even for Merc fans. If it's bad, then sales of the W212 are going to go up at the expense of BMW.

And if it is really good, then it will drive competition over at Merc for the next E-class to be much better.

So overall, a winning situation for ALL customers, BMW and Merc drivers alike. No?

220S

Yep.

Stuttgart-UT

okay iam sorry in GERMANY -Mb have the smallest depreciation...

A SMALL GAME: Here you can see 2 BMWs WHERE IS THE BMW 5?? right or left

the new bmw 5 is a joke, looks like a BMW 3 with sterioids!

Tjdehya

The trick to this is to look at the side mirrors, lmao, I had to look real hard to notice that...
New game spot the differences between the two.
1. Longer wheel base
2. Side mirrors.
3.

K-A

NEITHER!! You're using a FAKE projection-drawing of the 5'er dude. C'mon. I know you love your M-B's, but at least realize what's real and what's fake.

You clearly can't tell any BMW's apart, as proof that you used a car that doesn't even look like the new 5. I'll say it again, it's called a "design language", M-B does it too, save for a few of the W212's gimmicks here and there (quad lights, rear fender hump), and an uglier rear end, it looks strikingly like a C-Class as well. The "over-blown C" comment has been used toward it itself.

rieger

LOL can you spot a real car enthusiast and a MB Fanboy?
Answer is the one who uses a fake BMW render and thinks it is the new 5er.

K-A

LOL. Seriously, no offense to the poster, but how does anyone call themselves a "Car Enthusiast" and use a pic of the worst early rendering I've seen of the new 5, haha.

Rowrbazzle

The W203 and W211 look much more similar than the 204 and the 212. The quad ovals are present in both, with with the 211 being fully disconnected. The rear taillights are strikingly similar. The side profiles are almost identical, sans the length obviously.

The similarities in the 204 and the 212 seem far more subtle (creases down the side of the car, angle of the side of the headlights). I don't know how someone can say that other than the front and the back the 212 looks like the 204. The front and back are pretty big elements of the design. I'd have no problem with the E and C looking more similar. I think they're both fine looking cars.

At first glance I still get the 203 and 211 confused when I pass them on the street, especially if I can't see the headlights. Maybe I'm just not enough of a car enthusiast.

Either way, the 3 and 5 seem far more similar than the C and E. I find that disappointing, as I don't think the current 3 looks very good.

K-A

I don't disagree about the 203 and 211, very similar, the 211 looks like a slight smoothing and subtle evolution of the 203 if anything.

I'm not saying the 212 and 204 looking "alike" is a bad thing, my point is this is done on purpose by car manufacturers, which is why they call it "design language", M-B has even spoken about how the 212 now completes the new design theme.

I can point out many lines and differences with the 3 and 5 that you or I can between the 204 and 212. Frankly I think 212 fans just throwing a cheap shot at the car. In person, I guarantee you will notice the 5's presence over the 3 .

220S

Yep.

ipp

And... Which very much pushes the new design language imo.

ESIX3POWER

A fake pic wasnt really needed. Here is a pic of the new 5er.. How can any one say it doesnt look like a larger 3.. Its nearly identical but whatever. To each its own!

K-A

I agree, of course it does to an extent, it's supposed to. However no more than the 212 looks like a larger 204 IMO, and no way more than a 211 looks like a larger 203, etc.

Either way, I've never really liked the new 3, but I think the new 5 is absolutely gorgeous! Great stance on that pic. I hope the M-Pack lives up to the potential I'm imagining it should have.

K-A

Man, I'm sorry, but the 212 and E-Coupe just look terrible in those pics, lol.

One great thing about the 5 is it's all about proportions, you'd be hard pressed to find a non-photogenic pic, or a bad angle, which is the opposite case with the 212. If I wasn't too lazy I'd post side by sides of each, and point out where the harmonious aspect of the F10's design really helps it out VS those same angles that would be found on the 212.

I think the F10 looks great in pics, but apparently many officials, writers, and regulars who have seen it in person are saying that it REALLY has a presence in real life that doesn't come across in the pics, and a very large character, although the dimensions are very similar to the outgoing model. If that's the case, it'll be like icing on the cake.

ESIX3POWER

Thats great, go ahead and put your order in right now,dont even wait. The sooner the better for the W212 members. Soon enough you can finally leave this board and post on the BMW F10 boards. I have to be very honest, I never see you post on the W211 boards, which is quite weird,considering the fact that the W211 is your true love and passion, Why not indulge with fellow W211ers? I'd love to hear your response on this.
And now suddenly the new 5er is your true love, why not share your comments and thoughts about the gorgeous new BMW with fellow BMW 5er fans ? You seem to love posting on the W212, i dont understand it really. Its quite ovbious youre not a fan so whats your deal ? Funny thing is you prb will end up with a W212 E350 in a few years. That would be hilarious.

K-A

I've answered that question soooo many times already. I've posted less on the 212 Forums as I've finally started getting bored with the car altogether, however I've been upset about it enough, that my passionate car enthusiast side can't help but rant about it. I'll do it as I please, thanks.

Honestly, the W212 just isn't a nice enough car for me to ever buy, and if I'm not hot on it now, I can imagine how I'll feel in a few years. Unless I needed a good DD in the next few years, I'd consider one, as of course it's a great, solid, comfy, and safe car, but I need to like looking at what I drive.

I'm not a brand fan-boy, I've HATED BMW the past 7 years, now they release something well designed, so I give credit where it's due. M-B messed up the E-Class, at least for my tastes of course, so I also give criticism where it's due.

I don't post on the 211 Boards because I already know what I need to know about the car, and I don't come on a Car Forum to only have praising pow-wows.

ESIX3POWER

NOt feeling the flat nose of the Bimmer,and the Infiniti / Avalon looking tails.
BUt ofcourse looks are objective and to each its own..

ESIX3POWER

K-A

I agree with you about the nose, the only part of the car I can't really get too into, too blunt, and I like how M-B has gone through great lengths to at least keep the grille at a slight slant, as BMW are just making these blunt noses (EU Pedestrian Regulations). It kind of gives off an SUV look at some angles.

I think the rear actually looks pretty decent, and seriously, I think the 212 has one of the worst rears of a Premium brand today, totally indistinguishable from lots of Toyota-esque cars, so I'm happy the F10's isn't at least "bad", to me, as agreed, of course it's all subjective. No one can deny that the 212 has gotten immense criticism and focus on it's hiney though. The F10 really hasn't.

Interior is going to be an interesting one, as you know I think the materials in the 212, although not bad, aren't on par in quite a few areas with the 211's, and I definitely think the E60's leaves a lot to be desired.

For the first time, I think the 5's interior at least LOOKS more Luxurious, better designed, and more inviting than the E's, however, I'll hold off until I sit in it.... M-B has always had the interior edge, we'll see if that keeps on.