Mercedes-Benz Unveils the 6th-Generation W214 E-Class
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The current E-class E450 Wagon/All-terrain starts at 71,250 USD. Once options are added, it will quickly ramp upto the $100K mark. Typical configurations available at the dealers, are in the $85K+ mark, from what I’ve seen.
The E-class Sedan starts at 56,750 USD.
That’s a 14,500 $ spread right there, base-to-base……or the wagon starts at almost 26% more than the E-sedan.
The E-class Sedan starts at 56,750 USD.
That’s a 14,500 $ spread right there, base-to-base……or the wagon starts at almost 26% more than the E-sedan.
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Not according to this report: 38% come from transportation:
see: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58861
see: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58861
And your link indicates 33% of CO2 is from electric power generation, vs 25% from the EPA graph. Not a great selling point for EVs.
Buy what you want. But do research, know the sources, and be mindful of their motivation before making personal sacrifices.
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I'll phrase it differently. There are a few minimum features that define a luxury sedan such as premium leather soft seating, color and materials choices, ... The E class has most of the luxury features except for seating and limited choices. The E class has taxi cab hard seats that border on the uncomfortable especially after a long period of time. After all, the E class is primarily used as a taxi throughout Europe and Africa. IMO the hard seats make the E class semi-lux. Put the S class seats in the E class and I would consider it a luxury model.
Ignoring the differences in materials, the BMW seat was a lot more comfortable than the Mercedes. There was slightly more cushioning so it didn’t feel rock hard like the MB, and the side bolsters were contoured so they would grip lower in the torso vs the MB that tightens up right on my ribs and feels uncomfortable.
As far as the material, the Napa does look and feel significantly more luxurious and expensive than the MB Tex, but it doesn’t really affect comfort. The shape of the seat and the cushioning are a lot more important than choice in materials. I do like MB Tex, but I’ll probably go back to a semi-aniline leather for my next car. I just miss the extra bit of refinement.
The controls on the BMW were also much better. Physical buttons on the side of the seat for all functions. When I touch any button, it showed a picture on the nav screen illustrating exactly which part of the seat that button adjusted. In the Benz, some controls are on the door panel, others you need to go into layers and layers of menus. It’s a disjointed mess.
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I currently have a 2022 E450 with multi contour seats and mb-Tex. I previously had a 2017 Bmw 530 with multi contour seats and Napa leather.
Ignoring the differences in materials, the BMW seat was a lot more comfortable than the Mercedes. There was slightly more cushioning so it didn’t feel rock hard like the MB, and the side bolsters were contoured so they would grip lower in the torso vs the MB that tightens up right on my ribs and feels uncomfortable.
As far as the material, the Napa does look and feel significantly more luxurious and expensive than the MB Tex, but it doesn’t really affect comfort. The shape of the seat and the cushioning are a lot more important than choice in materials. I do like MB Tex, but I’ll probably go back to a semi-aniline leather for my next car. I just miss the extra bit of refinement.
The controls on the BMW were also much better. Physical buttons on the side of the seat for all functions. When I touch any button, it showed a picture on the nav screen illustrating exactly which part of the seat that button adjusted. In the Benz, some controls are on the door panel, others you need to go into layers and layers of menus. It’s a disjointed mess.
Ignoring the differences in materials, the BMW seat was a lot more comfortable than the Mercedes. There was slightly more cushioning so it didn’t feel rock hard like the MB, and the side bolsters were contoured so they would grip lower in the torso vs the MB that tightens up right on my ribs and feels uncomfortable.
As far as the material, the Napa does look and feel significantly more luxurious and expensive than the MB Tex, but it doesn’t really affect comfort. The shape of the seat and the cushioning are a lot more important than choice in materials. I do like MB Tex, but I’ll probably go back to a semi-aniline leather for my next car. I just miss the extra bit of refinement.
The controls on the BMW were also much better. Physical buttons on the side of the seat for all functions. When I touch any button, it showed a picture on the nav screen illustrating exactly which part of the seat that button adjusted. In the Benz, some controls are on the door panel, others you need to go into layers and layers of menus. It’s a disjointed mess.
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You mean trash panda? I seen those a lot. Speaking of panda.... you get the idea.
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Are there any publications from Mercedes regarding the Luxury-Line in the U.S. other than the rumors? The M-B USA website had a Luxury Line in the background of one of the AMG-line photos. (I assumed they would not include that if it were not available. Likely just global marketing photos that are used in multiple countries I'm thinking, unfortunately.) I hate to see M-B adopting the heavy screen controlled interior with less and less buttons. And the fake exhausts on the AMG-line are truly horrible. I like the looks of it otherwise, but the negatives outweigh the positives in my opinion.
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Are there any publications from Mercedes regarding the Luxury-Line in the U.S. other than the rumors? The M-B USA website had a Luxury Line in the background of one of the AMG-line photos. (I assumed they would not include that if it were not available. Likely just global marketing photos that are used in multiple countries I'm thinking, unfortunately.) I hate to see M-B adopting the heavy screen controlled interior with less and less buttons. And the fake exhausts on the AMG-line are truly horrible. I like the looks of it otherwise, but the negatives outweigh the positives in my opinion.
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Bigger and bigger screens are what the market is being driven towards, and Mercedes is just answering that push, to not be left behind. Unfortunately.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
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Bigger and bigger screens are what the market is being driven towards, and Mercedes is just answering that push, to not be left behind. Unfortunately.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
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Bigger and bigger screens are what the market is being driven towards, and Mercedes is just answering that push, to not be left behind. Unfortunately.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
Fake exhausts are a pet peeve of mine, but due to whatever reason, Mercedes seems to be adamantly pushing that asinine concept, across ALL of their products, including GLC, E-class, the GLE etc. They got repeatedly panned for it in the prior generation, and out they come with the same thing, in the new generation. Either their product designers are not listening to the feedback from testers and consumers, or they are truly asleep at the switch.
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At the very least, you would think M-B would have the forethought to include duplicate hard button controls, along with the screen functions, for things like climate control switches. I too, have a hard time thinking anyone in the target market for a traditional mid-size upper-market sedan these days, particularly a relatively conservative E-class audience would LIKE the fake exhausts. I think they are truly asleep at the switch like you say... To not even offer a way around it is more frustrating. What are they thinking?? The backtracking rumors about V8's returning the C63/E63 give me some hope things might turn back around.
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I doubt any new product that’s introduced, from here on out, will include more buttons/toggles/levers. Expecting to have them in newer products is setting yourself up for disappointment. We will see more of the Haptic Touch type controls, replacing the buttons/switches in future products.
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W/S214 Euro Configurator is Now Available
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They are competitively priced vs. each other, but very, very expensive. That is like saying as compared to a Rolls a Maybach is competitively priced. OMG at that price range everything is overpriced!
As to the EQE + EQE SUV being semi-luxury and not luxury, I disagree.
That is like saying the present E Class as compared to the S is not a luxury model.
This is truly a "First World Problem": For the rest of the world the E Class is considered the pinnacle of luxury only outdone by the very much higher priced (and significantly larger) S, BMW 7, Audi 8, Rolls and Bentley.
Most of us do not need the room of those big cars nor do we have chauffeur to drive them: For 99.5% of those who want a sedan as opposed to a SUV, the E Class and EQE are the definition of luxury.
As to the EQE + EQE SUV being semi-luxury and not luxury, I disagree.
That is like saying the present E Class as compared to the S is not a luxury model.
This is truly a "First World Problem": For the rest of the world the E Class is considered the pinnacle of luxury only outdone by the very much higher priced (and significantly larger) S, BMW 7, Audi 8, Rolls and Bentley.
Most of us do not need the room of those big cars nor do we have chauffeur to drive them: For 99.5% of those who want a sedan as opposed to a SUV, the E Class and EQE are the definition of luxury.
Nowadays, a E is more like a C with slightly more room and marginally better materials, that's about it. The jump to an S is much more significant.
I have Individual Full Merino on my 7 and it's a big jump over a standard 7 nappa interior as nearly every surface is covered in aniline leather including the lower door bins, lower dash, etc. Even inside the door bins and handles are lined with leather. However, the Individual wood trim, even though BMW claims that it's finished with the same methods as the trims used in Rolls Royces, still feels hollow when you knock on it. There's still a level of cheapness when you consider all things in it and I wouldn't classify this as a luxury vehicle either, but it's more inline as a "mass production upscale vehicle". I don't find hollow sounding materials to be luxurious.
Heck, I even find my W221 with a standard nappa interior to be more luxurious even though all the stitched areas other than the seats are in MB Tex instead of nappa leather as it's just so solid. I don't like the plastic lower door bins. The designo exclusive nappa interiors in the W221's were truly sublime for the price category especially if paired with a leather headliner, and simply incomparable to the exclusive nappa in the W222 and of course the W223, which is just not good.
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