Vance, we have another problem!
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Vance, we have another problem!
Yep. Round two for me too. Just as mlorez reported in his thread here:here
I was stranded along I-10 heading to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. Had the kids and a load of stuff and got half way there when I heard and felt a loud pop, which sounded like an engine backfire, and then lost power. Luckily, I was near an off-ramp and just before a 12 mile stretch of nothing, when this happened. Called tele-aid and the dealer and we all agreed that I could limp it back to the dealership some 25 miles away. It was my choice or otherwise wait for a tow. Made it back slowly but okay. They had a C Class waiting for me and off we went 2 1/2 hours after the incident. No New Orleans for us. We'll try again tomorrow.
Very similar to what happened a few days ago although this time I could drive it whereas the other day I couldn't get 500 feet. Weird I know.
One more time and I hire an attorney. I will not tolerate it again. My family and I almost went to Orlando for the long weekend but decided against it. I'm glad I didn't now. I do have a trip to GA and VA planned in a few weeks so this better get fixed right this time.
I was stranded along I-10 heading to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. Had the kids and a load of stuff and got half way there when I heard and felt a loud pop, which sounded like an engine backfire, and then lost power. Luckily, I was near an off-ramp and just before a 12 mile stretch of nothing, when this happened. Called tele-aid and the dealer and we all agreed that I could limp it back to the dealership some 25 miles away. It was my choice or otherwise wait for a tow. Made it back slowly but okay. They had a C Class waiting for me and off we went 2 1/2 hours after the incident. No New Orleans for us. We'll try again tomorrow.
Very similar to what happened a few days ago although this time I could drive it whereas the other day I couldn't get 500 feet. Weird I know.
One more time and I hire an attorney. I will not tolerate it again. My family and I almost went to Orlando for the long weekend but decided against it. I'm glad I didn't now. I do have a trip to GA and VA planned in a few weeks so this better get fixed right this time.
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This is 
You may very well be aware of our state's lemon law, but the problem has to exist after 3 attempts have been made to repair it. To me, this says you have to have this problem two more times before invoking the lemon law.
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I will place my order Monday - glad I'm going for the gas.
You may very well be aware of our state's lemon law, but the problem has to exist after 3 attempts have been made to repair it. To me, this says you have to have this problem two more times before invoking the lemon law.
MS Lemon Law
I will place my order Monday - glad I'm going for the gas.
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You may very well be aware of our state's lemon law, but one more time for this issue and your problematic GL will be theirs.
MS Lemon Law
I will place my order Monday - glad I'm going for the gas.
You may very well be aware of our state's lemon law, but one more time for this issue and your problematic GL will be theirs.
MS Lemon Law
I will place my order Monday - glad I'm going for the gas.
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I hope it doesn't come to that, too - here's to a permanant repair. If it does, MBUSA should do the same and avoid some very bad publicity on a brand new model - especially if the diesels are on QC hold - pretty much de facto evidence of a major problem.
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As a person with a GL320 on-order, I'm suddenly feeling queasy about this entire purchase. I can live with the minor bugs that come along with a first-year purchase, but I cannot tolerate being stranded. That goes double if it's my wife who gets stuck in the middle of nowhere. I'm buying an MB because of its proven safety. But getting stranded is not a very safe thing!
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We will just have to wait and see what information comes to light. I intend to contact my rep on Monday and discuss this situation with him and see if I can learn anything.
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Sure hope they get your GL fixed once and for all. Have been contemplating ordering a 450 here...but after your experience and then reading the MB Lemon website...might just stick with my pathfinder that has been totally problem free for 4.5 years and 70k miles. I DO NOT want a Saab repeat.
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First year production ALWAYS has issues - its just a fact of life. That is why people always admonish to not buy first year production vehicles. There are bound to be problems that they need to shake out.
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Despite the fact that my GL was supposedly released to carrier last tuesday, it got pulled back into the quality control hold loop last week-they think it is out, but i have been out of town and so don't know yet.
I'm extremely upset by your second situation, Jack, and do hope that maybe the first time your dealer tried to fix and that this time they'll talk to the factory to see if there's been a corrective fix issued.
Again, please keep me updated as i am not real happy at this point to be taking delivery of my new GL and half expecting to break down b/c of what's happened to you.
I'm extremely upset by your second situation, Jack, and do hope that maybe the first time your dealer tried to fix and that this time they'll talk to the factory to see if there's been a corrective fix issued.
Again, please keep me updated as i am not real happy at this point to be taking delivery of my new GL and half expecting to break down b/c of what's happened to you.
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Despite the fact that my GL was supposedly released to carrier last tuesday, it got pulled back into the quality control hold loop last week-they think it is out, but i have been out of town and so don't know yet.
I'm extremely upset by your second situation, Jack, and do hope that maybe the first time your dealer tried to fix and that this time they'll talk to the factory to see if there's been a corrective fix issued.
Again, please keep me updated as i am not real happy at this point to be taking delivery of my new GL and half expecting to break down b/c of what's happened to you.
I'm extremely upset by your second situation, Jack, and do hope that maybe the first time your dealer tried to fix and that this time they'll talk to the factory to see if there's been a corrective fix issued.
Again, please keep me updated as i am not real happy at this point to be taking delivery of my new GL and half expecting to break down b/c of what's happened to you.
Everyone, please post any information that can enlighten us as it comes to light.
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Just got off the phone with my service advisor (manager) and told them I would not accept the vehicle back until the factory or factory rep was notified of the problems and that I could be assured it wouldn't happen again. I politely reminded them that this was the second time (which they were already very aware) but didn't mention anything beyond that as far as buyback, lemon law, etc. I'll hold that card until needed.
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Jack, I'm attaching the link to the feedback section at MBUSI-might as well use that too, no?
http://mbusi.com/pages/of_home.asp
http://mbusi.com/pages/of_home.asp
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Bluetec Blues?
As a person with a GL320 on-order, I'm suddenly feeling queasy about this entire purchase. I can live with the minor bugs that come along with a first-year purchase, but I cannot tolerate being stranded. That goes double if it's my wife who gets stuck in the middle of nowhere. I'm buying an MB because of its proven safety. But getting stranded is not a very safe thing!
I have been thinking long and hard before buying a 2006 E320 CDi instead of the 2007 Bluetec. There are many reasons:
The in line 6 is an iron block with the turbo to one side. No useless filters. Proven engine sold in Europe for many years.
The V-6 is all alloy with the turbo located on top of the V. Too many filters. Too complicated. Strict fueling requirements.
There was a similar report on this board under the diesel section by someone test driving a Bluetec E320 V-6 with sudden power loss on the highway.
It is very unwise of MBUSA not to recall if there is a problem with the new diesel engines.
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MBSLK:
I have been thinking long and hard before buying a 2006 E320 CDi instead of the 2007 Bluetec. There are many reasons:
The in line 6 is an iron block with the turbo to one side. No useless filters. Proven engine sold in Europe for many years.
The V-6 is all alloy with the turbo located on top of the V. Too many filters. Too complicated. Strict fueling requirements.
There was a similar report on this board under the diesel section by someone test driving a Bluetec E320 V-6 with sudden power loss on the highway.
It is very unwise of MBUSA not to recall if there is a problem with the new diesel engines.
I have been thinking long and hard before buying a 2006 E320 CDi instead of the 2007 Bluetec. There are many reasons:
The in line 6 is an iron block with the turbo to one side. No useless filters. Proven engine sold in Europe for many years.
The V-6 is all alloy with the turbo located on top of the V. Too many filters. Too complicated. Strict fueling requirements.
There was a similar report on this board under the diesel section by someone test driving a Bluetec E320 V-6 with sudden power loss on the highway.
It is very unwise of MBUSA not to recall if there is a problem with the new diesel engines.
I personally don't feel the problem is with the engine but perhaps with some of the US environmental modifications required to meet US standards. One problem we know was a hose clamp on the intercooler hose and perhaps there may be other such shortcomings. I do hope they get the problems identified quickly for the one's having problems and also for the one's awaiting build.
It also appears that the problem is with cars built during a period in January which could indicate a quality problem from a supplier. If there were a major component malfunction then I am sure there would be recall but as indicated, the engine had been tested in EU under all conditions for over two years.
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Not gloating
There is nothing wrong with the V6 diesel engine...it had been running for over two years in EU. The fueling requirements are not strict, they just require you to use what is now the standard diesel fuel suppied nationwide.
I personally don't feel the problem is with the engine but perhaps with some of the US environmental modifications required to meet US standards. One problem we know was a hose clamp on the intercooler hose and perhaps there may be other such shortcomings. I do hope they get the problems identified quickly for the one's having problems and also for the one's awaiting build.
It also appears that the problem is with cars built during a period in January which could indicate a quality problem from a supplier. If there were a major component malfunction then I am sure there would be recall but as indicated, the engine had been tested in EU under all conditions for over two years.
I personally don't feel the problem is with the engine but perhaps with some of the US environmental modifications required to meet US standards. One problem we know was a hose clamp on the intercooler hose and perhaps there may be other such shortcomings. I do hope they get the problems identified quickly for the one's having problems and also for the one's awaiting build.
It also appears that the problem is with cars built during a period in January which could indicate a quality problem from a supplier. If there were a major component malfunction then I am sure there would be recall but as indicated, the engine had been tested in EU under all conditions for over two years.
I hope everything works out just fine for all. There are lots of good points with the V-6 Bluetec package too - the 7 speed tranny, the higher horsepower, the nicer interior. I bought a 2006 diesel because I got a sweet deal as well as the advantages I posted earlier.
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Jack:
I hope everything works out just fine for all. There are lots of good points with the V-6 Bluetec package too - the 7 speed tranny, the higher horsepower, the nicer interior. I bought a 2006 diesel because I got a sweet deal as well as the advantages I posted earlier.
I hope everything works out just fine for all. There are lots of good points with the V-6 Bluetec package too - the 7 speed tranny, the higher horsepower, the nicer interior. I bought a 2006 diesel because I got a sweet deal as well as the advantages I posted earlier.
You have a sweet car for sure...:-)
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Good news Jack...appears to be coming down to a single problem and nothing major to be concerned about, except for the incovenience.
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Glad you have an answer, Jack...wonder why they didn't get it fixed right the first time? Mine is still not here, but dealer gave me an ML500 to drive til it arrives...i figure he is pretty sure it is on the way soon or he would've given me a C...
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It's the pressure that is forcing the hose off from what I gathered in my short phone conversation. Supposedly the tech went around to several auto parts stores looking for a 'better' clamp than is provided by the factory. I'm thinking this is a fix until MB comes up with a better plan. I guess I'm the real guinea pig now. I'm not sure why a new hose was ordered but I will find out more tomorrow when I pick it up.
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It's the pressure that is forcing the hose off from what I gathered in my short phone conversation. Supposedly the tech went around to several auto parts stores looking for a 'better' clamp than is provided by the factory. I'm thinking this is a fix until MB comes up with a better plan. I guess I'm the real guinea pig now. I'm not sure why a new hose was ordered but I will find out more tomorrow when I pick it up.
Your tech needs to double clamp the hose or better yet, replace the stock clamp with a t-bolt clamp. T-bolt clamps http://www.kshoseclamp.com/t-bolt_clamps.htm are available from NAPA auto parts stores. T-bolt clamps allow you to put a lot more clamping force on the hose, although you have to be careful if you're clamping the hose to a plastic pipe because the pipe may collapse if you tighten it too much. I have a lot of experience with this issue from owning several modified high-boost turbo cars. Spraying hairspray on the pipe where the hose clamps on to it helps as well.
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Jack,
Your tech needs to double clamp the hose or better yet, replace the stock clamp with a t-bolt clamp. T-bolt clamps http://www.kshoseclamp.com/t-bolt_clamps.htm are available from NAPA auto parts stores. T-bolt clamps allow you to put a lot more clamping force on the hose, although you have to be careful if you're clamping the hose to a plastic pipe because the pipe may collapse if you tighten it too much. I have a lot of experience with this issue from owning several modified high-boost turbo cars. Spraying hairspray on the pipe where the hose clamps on to it helps as well.
Eric
Your tech needs to double clamp the hose or better yet, replace the stock clamp with a t-bolt clamp. T-bolt clamps http://www.kshoseclamp.com/t-bolt_clamps.htm are available from NAPA auto parts stores. T-bolt clamps allow you to put a lot more clamping force on the hose, although you have to be careful if you're clamping the hose to a plastic pipe because the pipe may collapse if you tighten it too much. I have a lot of experience with this issue from owning several modified high-boost turbo cars. Spraying hairspray on the pipe where the hose clamps on to it helps as well.
Eric
