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Many of you probably already received email regarding long-awaited class action email. I'm trying to understand what is the best course of action for me, who just got DEF bypass and almost happy with no errors and no DEF.
My car is 2012, information on https://www.bluetecsettlement.ca said extended warranty covers 10y or 195000km since first sale. Does it means 2012 is out of warranty? Or what does it means? Do I need to bother applying for a claim or its just a waste?
You need to have a Field Measure applied by a dealership first. I believe this is a software update to make sure your car meets current emission standards (it apparently does not right now.. that's what this lawsuit is about)
Once this is done, submit the receipt from the dealership.
For my 2013 GL it looks like I'll be getting close to $2900 (I believe 2600 after some sort of fee is deducted)
I think the extended warranty is only on emission components... DPF, etc.
It says if you have modified the system and they can install the field measure, you are good. If they can't install it then they won't. I suspect with DEF bypass they won't be able to install it. I'd return it to factory specs and get it installed because you'll get a big cheque in the mail!
Otherwise I suppose you can leave it as-is and apply anyhow but you'll get less (previous owners, lessees get a cheque too but it's less.. you'll probably fall into that group without the Field Measure installed)
Below is what I am planning to send to the Mercedes Bluetec claims administrator (has to be received by Feb 2 2022) Email To: Info@BlueTECSettlement.ca
Feel free to copy/share and send also (details of how to submit are at the bottom of this email).
I am writing to object to the Mercedes-Benz Blue TEC II Class Action Settlement in Canada before it is settled.
My objection is premised on the following significant financial differences compared the similar emissions settlements:
The $2,632 CDN settlement payment after CPF levy is significantly less than the US settlement amount of $3,290 USD ($4,173 CDN equivalent) for installing the same field measure modification.
Why are Mercedes-Benz Blue TEC owners responsible for paying a CPF levy when similar settlements with the Volkswagen diesel emissions modification did not require owners to pay CPF levies from the settlement payment.
Given that Mercedes-Benz owners have paid a significant amount to purchase their vehicles compared to most Volkswagen TDI diesel vehicle owners the settlement of $2,632 is significantly less than the emissions settlement for Volkswagen TDI owners e.g., between $5,100 and $8,000 (compared to $2,632) and even a buyback option.
As an owner of a Mercedes-Benz Blue Tec I have incurred substantial expenditures related to the Blue Tec emissions system failure (e.g., DEF heater failure) which were denied by Mercedes–Benz under their Blue Tec emissions warranty whereas these emissions components are now covered under the settlement field measure modification warranty. The $2,632 CDN settlement payment will not provide enough funds to cover my initial emissions repairs outlay. I am aware of other owners that have incurred similar issues and significant out of pocket outlay for Blue Tec emissions system repairs. Like other vehicle manufacturer recalls there should be a process for owners to submit claims for out of pocket emission component repairs which are now included in this Blue Tec settlement.
Thank you for taking the time to review the above.
Kind regards,
If you are a Settlement Class Member and have comments about, or disagree with, any aspect of the Settlement that applies to you, you may express your views to the Court by submitting a personally signed written objection as provided below.
Your written objection must include:
Your name, mailing address, telephone number and e-mail address (if available);
The make, model, model year and VIN of the Eligible Vehicle;
A brief statement of the nature of and reason for your objection to this Settlement; and
Whether you intend to appear in person or by counsel at the Settlement Approval Hearing, and if appearing by counsel, the name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address of counsel. (The Court will hold the Settlement Approval Hearing via videoconference.)
Your objection must be received by no later than February 2, 2022 at: Email To: Info@BlueTECSettlement.ca
As I replied in the other thread you started on the subject where you posted this same objection (https://mbworld.org/forums/diesel-fo...objection.html), you are not a class member and have no standing, and furthermore, the settlement is not a compensation for any failure you may have experienced but rather against claims of "diminution in value" and possible non-compliance with "the marketing or advertisement of any Eligible Vehicle as clean, green, clean diesel, environmentally friendly, low emissions, and/or compliant with federal, provincial, or territorial emissions standards".
Many of you probably already received email regarding long-awaited class action email. I'm trying to understand what is the best course of action for me, who just got DEF bypass and almost happy with no errors and no DEF.
My car is 2012, information on https://www.bluetecsettlement.ca said extended warranty covers 10y or 195000km since first sale. Does it means 2012 is out of warranty? Or what does it means? Do I need to bother applying for a claim or its just a waste?
I think this might help you. I did go ahead with the field measure work and there was a fair bit done. Now I see this info on the MB website when I enter my VIN. Look at the "greater of"
"Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i) 10 years from the date of initial sale or 193,000 kilometers on the odometer, whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 77,250 kilometers from the date of installation of the Field Measure, whichever occurs first."
It looks like for you it would be" ii. 4 years/77,500km. On top of that they replaced a cracked hose they wanted to make me pay 600 or so for because it could throw a code. I declined as I have a local shop who employs a friend, who does great work on MBs, and figured I'd give them the work for a whole lot less for me and work for them.
Here's a screen grab of the info from MB.
I think this might help you. I did go ahead with the field measure work and there was a fair bit done. Now I see this info on the MB website when I enter my VIN. Look at the "greater of"
"Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i) 10 years from the date of initial sale or 193,000 kilometers on the odometer, whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 77,250 kilometers from the date of installation of the Field Measure, whichever occurs first."
It looks like for you it would be" ii. 4 years/77,500km. On top of that they replaced a cracked hose they wanted to make me pay 600 or so for because it could throw a code. I declined as I have a local shop who employs a friend, who does great work on MBs, and figured I'd give them the work for a whole lot less for me and work for them.
Here's a screen grab of the info from MB.
Did they actually replace all of those parts listed here? I have a catch can installed on my PCV valve I wonder if that counts as "modified". Also was there any mention of reduced engine performance from the software update?
Did they actually replace all of those parts listed here? I have a catch can installed on my PCV valve I wonder if that counts as "modified". Also was there any mention of reduced engine performance from the software update?
i doubt a catch can would count as modified since they could still complete their required work and leave your can, or worst case remove your can if they needed to.
total side convo here but im wondering what catch can you have installed, how long youve had it, and if there have been any issues (like filter freezing in colder weather and preventing proper flow)?
and whether youve noticed any improvements from it?
I think they did replace all those things, it's a bit of mystery with all the acronyms. LOL
The 4 year warranty on the emissions stuff is pretty comprehensive and potentially worth a lot more than the 2600$
Don't know about the can modification... the tech might get a good laugh from it... worst is they say no we can't do it?
Most things I've read say no performance decrease, but some people may find they get better mileage. Go figure.
I certainly have not noticed anything different.
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The catch can goes between the PCV valve and the intake. They can simply disconnect the catch can and replace the PCV valve assembly with a new one which they will connect directly to the intake as per the original design. I don't think sucking in oil through the PCV is an issue (at least not a significant one in any way.... it's the EGR that brings in 10,000 times as much crap back into the intake) so having a catch can in the first place is akin to using a bucket to catch a few drops of water right next to Niagara Falls. Unless you have modified the block or intake threaded connections instead of just cutting the PCV hose and putting your catch can in series, it would not have harmed anything so I can't see them not doing the AEM as a result. They may get a chuckle out of it but that's pretty much it.
The catch can goes between the PCV valve and the intake. They can simply disconnect the catch can and replace the PCV valve assembly with a new one which they will connect directly to the intake as per the original design. I don't think sucking in oil through the PCV is an issue (at least not a significant one in any way.... it's the EGR that brings in 10,000 times as much crap back into the intake) so having a catch can in the first place is akin to using a bucket to catch a few drops of water right next to Niagara Falls. Unless you have modified the block or intake threaded connections instead of just cutting the PCV hose and putting your catch can in series, it would not have harmed anything so I can't see them not doing the AEM as a result. They may get a chuckle out of it but that's pretty much it.
Yes, I agree the EGR is the biggest offender but what happens when all that condensation/oil vapor gets blown through the charge pipe and all through the intercooler only to meet up with the dry carbon soot from the EGR? Sludge is what happens. While the catch can is doing a small job on the front end, the downstream impacts are actually a lot greater.
I've been running my can for only a couple winter months now, and most of what I've caught is condensation but there's definitely oil in there too. Have a look at the results:
The dealer can chuckle all they want, I'm just trying to walk away with my wallet a little thicker rather than thinner on this visit
All I am saying is that the exhaust gas itself contains a LOT more water vapour than the crankcase, which is why you see moisture dripping from tailpipes on various cars when they're cold. I am not saying that the catch can is not working... only that in the case of our diesels, it only has the ability to catch about 0.1% of the moisture that ends up in the intake as the other 99.9% comes from other sources (the EGR itself - hydrocarbon combustion always produces carbon dioxide and water in addition to any other byproducts).
Parts are finally available for my ML350. But time is not until April 20 when I am booked to get mine done. I also have a fault in the temperature sensor right now in the DPF, so all getting replaced at the same time.
Anything to report on performance or mileage now that you have had this done for a while?
Nothing on performance, but then again I haven't had the need to push the car to perform.
On the mileage, it seems to suck more diesel in the city than before. I suspect that has to do with the shifts happening at slightly higher revs while warming up and the revs being held higher for longer. My Pontiac Vibe with it's Toyota engine did the same on warm-up. Higher revs make the engine warm quicker?
On the highway, it's the opposite story. It looks like I'm getting better mileage, not by a lot, but noticeable. Will have to run a full season to see if there are noticeable differences.
Just called yesterday and booked my GL350 for April 8th. Interested too in the impact post fix. How is overall driveability?
When I had the recall done on my Cayenne Diesel there was a pronounced negative impact on over driveability, specifically throttle response coming around corners and merging. Fuel economy also went down for both highway and city driving. I hope it won't be the same with the MB recall.
2013 ML350 Bluetec, 1966 Ford Mustang Convertible (sold)
Very interesting and happy that the whole process has started. Quick question for people with full deletes (EGR, DEF/Adblue), DPF and swirl flaps), are you going with the AEM? If so, I suppose you'll have to reinstall the DPF before bringing it in? My guess is that they won't proceed with the AEM if the DPF is missing... and what about the ECU? If a tune is installed, is the dealership going to refuse the AEM? Can they simply overwrite the tune on the ECU?
I had a Soot sensor replaced by an indy shop and paid out of pocket. It was done beyond the 192,000km emissions warranty period, but before I was able to book for the new device to be installed. Am I able to get the soot sensor replacement cost reimbursed by Mercedes?
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... I sent an email asking about the timeline from their website. I will update on what they come back with.
