OT - Anyone know of a C6 Z06 vs E55 on 5N?
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So do I, but I think that it'd need a bit more power to do it, and it would need a lot more power to give the guy a jump and then chase him down as jangy claimed. W/reaction time and throttle application time after the first guy gets the jump, you're talking close to a one second spot.
You're a numbers guy, plug in the weight/hp for these cars and then consider the likelihood of the heavier car giving the lighter car a one second spot, rolling start where launch is outta the picture, and then chasing him down.....it was this part that moved me over into the BS column, because a one second spot is ten lengths! To make up that kind of jump, he'd have to have, with equal weight, close to 100 hp over the guy, and he doesn't; he's got close to 100 hp over the guy, but around 1000 pounds more weight.
So, that's why I'm skeptical...it's nothing personal (it ended up that way, but it wasn't to start), it's all about the numbers and the physics. Don't want to get into a ten page marathon w/you, btw, just want you to know where I'm coming from.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it, but a 1/4 mile is all 60', and the race described here was rolling start...I just hope they do some roll-ons, and I'd really like to see some roll-ons w/the Z getting a spot, and then watching jangy chase him down.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing these runs in any case.
You're a numbers guy, plug in the weight/hp for these cars and then consider the likelihood of the heavier car giving the lighter car a one second spot, rolling start where launch is outta the picture, and then chasing him down.....it was this part that moved me over into the BS column, because a one second spot is ten lengths! To make up that kind of jump, he'd have to have, with equal weight, close to 100 hp over the guy, and he doesn't; he's got close to 100 hp over the guy, but around 1000 pounds more weight.
So, that's why I'm skeptical...it's nothing personal (it ended up that way, but it wasn't to start), it's all about the numbers and the physics. Don't want to get into a ten page marathon w/you, btw, just want you to know where I'm coming from.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it, but a 1/4 mile is all 60', and the race described here was rolling start...I just hope they do some roll-ons, and I'd really like to see some roll-ons w/the Z getting a spot, and then watching jangy chase him down.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing these runs in any case.
In all the videos usually the E gets the jump and the Vette comes back passes and pulls away buh bye.. There are a million possibilities, who knows. Jangy may talk alot but he participates and he will definately accept the outcome whatever it may be. Who has seen his car since the mods???
Perhaps this Z was making less than many and the driver weighed 350?
who knows , this is why video is importante.
I will film the runs on the 13th and unfortunately it will be on a 1/4 mile track , we will be able to determine the power Jangy has based on his trap speeds. It will be HOT but we will all be under the same terrible conditions so comparison will be possible.
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Your CLK55 AMG W208 won every race vs. the more powerful M5?
The M5 has a better p/w ratio yet you were several cars in front.
Explain?
"The E39 M5 is capable of accelerating from 0-62 mph in 5.3 seconds and electronically limited to a top speed of 155 mph (249 km/h)[1], making it the fastest 4-door sedan in the world at the time it was manufactured. Once delimited, top speeds of a true 178mph are possible".
Dam the CLK 55 was the fastest BENZ at the time WOW!! So looks even, why such a big difference. An even match should be fender to fender with neither car capable of pulling away, I.E. CLS 63 Vs. CLS 63. Still 342 hp vs 392 similar weights, yet you win everytime
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Thericker: You've wanted me forever, why not on a legal track? Let me know if that doesn't work and we'll still setup our fun run.
To anyone who has a tune and thinks they are all the same. Show up and lets see. I predict the fastest trap speed from an E55 at these fontana events. I think my 60 will be consistent, but nothing major as will my 1/8th. But, I believe the car will surprise many of you between the 1/8th and 1/4 mile markers.
To anyone who has a tune and thinks they are all the same. Show up and lets see. I predict the fastest trap speed from an E55 at these fontana events. I think my 60 will be consistent, but nothing major as will my 1/8th. But, I believe the car will surprise many of you between the 1/8th and 1/4 mile markers.
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jangy also has yet to respond to the ricker's invitation for a run.
Anytime....and what will that prove?
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jangy also has yet to respond to the ricker's invitation for a run.
Anytime....and what will that prove?
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Oh yeah 1 of the guys over at Corvetteforum.com said this directred to you before there thread about this thread got closed by their moderators (they don't condone talk of street racingLame...)
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I'm on that board too improviz... that jangy guy is a real troll.
"I'd say get him on a Race Track (road course) & run him till his tires & brakes are on fire!"
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I'm on that board too improviz... that jangy guy is a real troll.
"I'd say get him on a Race Track (road course) & run him till his tires & brakes are on fire!"
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"The E39 M5 is capable of accelerating from 0-62 mph in 5.3 seconds and electronically limited to a top speed of 155 mph (249 km/h)[1], making it the fastest 4-door sedan in the world at the time it was manufactured. Once delimited, top speeds of a true 178mph are possible".
MONTVALE, NJ - Mercedes-Benz creates a new high-performance pinnacle for the popular CLK-Class and for its entire line with the 2001 CLK55 AMG - the fastest-ever production car from Mercedes-Benz. This Mercedes supercoupe will offer virtually everything the serious driving enthusiast could ask for - the ultimate in handling and acceleration, yet with the well-established comfort, easy operation and good looks of the CLK-Class. Its power-to-weight ratio of about 10 pounds per horsepower makes this the quickest Mercedes-Benz ever, arriving at 60 mph in 4.9 seconds.
Also, I am running 275s on the back, not the junk 245s that come on the car, makes a big difference in hole shot/20 mph rolls, as you can see.
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Actually, the M5 doesn't have a better w/p ratio.....the E39 M5s weighed 4024 pounds with 394 horsepower = 10.21:1, W208 is 3444 pounds w/342 rated hp = 10.07:1. Actual horsepower, though, is thought to be 349 (same as the three other cars that had this motor, the E55, S55, and CL55), derated for marketing purposes, so it's "really" more like 9.87:1--but even w/rated, the M5's w/p is not better.
Here's a section of the 2001 CLK55 press release:
Weights aren't similar, it's nearly 600 pounds' difference. And yes, my full-sized spare is in the car
Also, I am running 275s on the back, not the junk 245s that come on the car, makes a big difference in hole shot/20 mph rolls, as you can see.
Here's a section of the 2001 CLK55 press release:
Weights aren't similar, it's nearly 600 pounds' difference. And yes, my full-sized spare is in the car
Also, I am running 275s on the back, not the junk 245s that come on the car, makes a big difference in hole shot/20 mph rolls, as you can see.
E92 M5 BMW 2002 4015 lbs/392 hp= 10.242 hp/lb
CLK 55 AMG 2001 3566.1/349 hp = 10.217 hp/lb
The BMW has an edge here yet you are several cars infront.
Your 275's gave you traction advantage, is this all? Have you weighed your car? Seems to me this race should have been even yet it was not close at all.
Using your higher hp figure the cars are still very evenly matched yet you put cars on him?
Guess those wide tires really gave you an advantage cause the cars are very similar in p/w no way to spin that
Ok wow there is 5 different published weights for the CLK, where did you get 3444?? MBUSA shows 3485, MT shows 3566, no wonder we argue. The outcome is what happened, you killed that M5, you see how modeling a race outcome on p/w ratio can be silly. 1. We need accurate, exact weights to make accurate precise prediction. I know within a few pounds what my car weighs . Hey do you use Crank HP or RWHP to calculate p/w ratio? That makes a huge difference
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CLK 55 AMG 2001 3566.1 lbs /342 hp=10.427 hp/lb
E92 M5 BMW 2002 4015 lbs/392 hp= 10.242 hp/lb
The BMW has an edge here yet you are several cars infront.
Your 275's gave you traction advantage, is this all? Have you weighed yor car? Seems to me this race should have been even yet it was not close at all.
E92 M5 BMW 2002 4015 lbs/392 hp= 10.242 hp/lb
The BMW has an edge here yet you are several cars infront.
Your 275's gave you traction advantage, is this all? Have you weighed yor car? Seems to me this race should have been even yet it was not close at all.
But first, where are you getting the numbers for weight? For the CLK55, where are you getting 3566? I linked to edmunds.com in my post, they give it as 3444, right in there w/what I got when I took it to the track, which was 346x w/a full tank. Also, where did you get the 4015 for the M5?
Actually, the M5 doesn't have a better w/p ratio.....the E39 M5s weighed 4024 pounds with 394 horsepower = 10.21:1, W208 is 3444 pounds w/342 rated hp = 10.07:1. Actual horsepower, though, is thought to be 349 (same as the three other cars that had this motor, the E55, S55, and CL55), derated for marketing purposes, so it's "really" more like 9.87:1--but even w/rated, the M5's w/p is not better.
Also, as I'm sure you're doubtlessly aware, and thus I'm not sure why you're beating around the bush and belaboring this point, there are reaction times and 60' times, right? Two of those were standing start, where as you know and have written, the 60' time is paramount, right?
"Oh", I can hear you respond (which is where you're obviously trying to steer this discussion), "then that explains jangy's result."
NO, it doesn't. I ended up in front in those races, but once I got out front I was not pulling away from him, *and* these were standing-start and low-speed rolling start runs where traction, reaction, 60' etc. are big factors, and I'm pretty good at getting that thing out of the hole. In a rolling-start run from 60 or 70 mph, I can promise you that I would NOT end up in front by such a margin, as the two vehicles are pretty evenly matched, as the weight/hp numbers indicate, and as I have experienced personally in performing such runs with those cars.
Further, I can assure you that if I'd given the M5 a one second jump (or a half-second jump), I would never, in a million years, be able to run him down as jangy described doing with the Z06. Never.
So I'm sorry, but the analogy you're obviously trying to spin isn't applicable, as these were low-speed and standing-start runs, not high-speed runs with me giving him a jump and then chasing him down, which is physically impossible.
From highway speeds, other than reaction time, none of these would be factors--*certainly* not 60'. Which is WHY I've been belaboring the point that as nice as it will be to see jangy's car go to a track and post some numbers, it WILL NOT replicate the runs he claims to have done. This is why I want you to get *those* sort of runs on vid!!!
Crystal? Hope so, 'cause I'm going to sleep!
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So, that's why I'm skeptical...it's nothing personal (it ended up that way, but it wasn't to start)....
Don't want to get into a ten page marathon w/you, btw......
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it, but a 1/4 mile is all 60', and the race described here was rolling start...
Don't want to get into a ten page marathon w/you, btw......
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it, but a 1/4 mile is all 60', and the race described here was rolling start...
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I wasn't the only one presenting "data", and you damn well know it, although I did post plenty, including pesky little videos like this one, etc., which I busted you lying about here.
Backtracking from what? You said you pulled one from a roll, multiple times, *and* gave him the jump and chased him down. This is what I said, and still say, is total
So, if you can chase one down after giving him a spot, let's make it interesting, sweeten the pot: how much you wanna bet?
Wanna put some money on it? Because I'll bet we can round up some of those "slow" Z06s to run you like you said....ya know, giving the "slow" Z06 the spot and then running him down?
How much you wanna bet that if 1) you start out at the same time as a Z06 in a 70-150 pull, you'll be behind at the end, and 2) if you give him a spot & try to chase him down, you'll be ten cars or so back at the end?
Let me know, oh great smack-talker. Wasn't it you who talked all kinds of smack about how you'd wax the E63s and got beaten by all five of them?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JniP0Lcfb2Y At least when I say I can beat a car, I actually manage to do it when I show up.
Btw, why is it that you haven't contacted the guy you ran and had him show up here to corroborate your story? Why haven't you gotten w/him, done the runs again with your digital cam running, and posted them?
Backtracking from what? You said you pulled one from a roll, multiple times, *and* gave him the jump and chased him down. This is what I said, and still say, is total
So, if you can chase one down after giving him a spot, let's make it interesting, sweeten the pot: how much you wanna bet?
Wanna put some money on it? Because I'll bet we can round up some of those "slow" Z06s to run you like you said....ya know, giving the "slow" Z06 the spot and then running him down?
How much you wanna bet that if 1) you start out at the same time as a Z06 in a 70-150 pull, you'll be behind at the end, and 2) if you give him a spot & try to chase him down, you'll be ten cars or so back at the end?
Let me know, oh great smack-talker. Wasn't it you who talked all kinds of smack about how you'd wax the E63s and got beaten by all five of them?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JniP0Lcfb2Y At least when I say I can beat a car, I actually manage to do it when I show up.
Btw, why is it that you haven't contacted the guy you ran and had him show up here to corroborate your story? Why haven't you gotten w/him, done the runs again with your digital cam running, and posted them?
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after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?
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ecu'd cl65 with 705rwtq vs. stock zo6
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245614
after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245614
after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYenWHy9jHA
It would be a good drag race.. Not too many rolling videos. That CL 65 gets pulled but it is hundreds of lbs more than the E55. It will be fun man , bring yer vette maybe you will lose to a 63 , LOL....
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I think theres a vid of sleeperx staying with one one from a roll. I will look into making a video of one from a roll, and I will make sure he can drive.
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Originally Posted by 02cl55amg
nice kill. anyone in a modded 55 coming to vegas for memorial day weekend? i have a stock zo6, video camera & love running my car from 60mph-160mph. anyone wanna play?
nice kill. anyone in a modded 55 coming to vegas for memorial day weekend? i have a stock zo6, video camera & love running my car from 60mph-160mph. anyone wanna play?
ecu'd cl65 with 705rwtq vs. stock zo6
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245614
after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245614
after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?
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Or maybe the fact that you have a REGULAR C6!!!! & NO Z06!!!! would be the reason you'd be saying this ----
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"after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time."
"after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time."
And that you had since put the LS2 badging on, I guess since you NEVER changed the badging it automatically became a REAL Z06 LOL!!
Do you want to come clean now? or should I post up your Private Message to me on the LS2 badging? Damn it's losers like yourself that start threads like this! You've probably been rollin' your FAKE Z06 badged widebody w/REGULAR C6 brakes trying to race AMG's & Lambo's P-cars etc... & making an *** outt've yourself!!!
So I don't break the user agreements rules I'll just post the title of your PM to me!!
Re: LS2 emblem
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From: 02cl55amg 02-03-2008 02:20 PM
Screw it! here's your entire PM:
Re: LS2 emblem
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it did have z emblems when it first had the conversion to cover the holes, but not in this pic.
taking a bunch of pics after the car gets out of the shop this week(tranmission issues)for a guy seriously
interested in buying the vette. i shoot ya a nice side shot. john
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I own 1 bud 2005 c6, what happ to ur tranny? I've got 30k trouble free /modded 410 rwhp 3.90 gear mileage on mine
still like pix though!
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Originally Posted by 02cl55amg
it did have z emblems when it first had the conversion to cover the holes, but not in this pic.
taking a bunch of pics after the car gets out of the shop this week(tranmission issues)for a guy seriously
interested in buying the vette. i shoot ya a nice side shot. john
Reply by: Thericker
I own 1 bud 2005 c6, what happ to ur tranny? I've got 30k trouble free /modded 410 rwhp 3.90 gear mileage on mine
still like pix though!
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how much you wanna bet?
I asked for a race before. Name the $$ and send your lil girl.
Wanna put some money on it?
YES!!!
How much you wanna bet that if 1) you start out at the same time as a Z06 in a 70-150 pull, you'll be behind at the end, and 2) if you give him a spot & try to chase him down, you'll be ten cars or so back at the end?
$10,000?
Btw, why is it that you haven't contacted the guy you ran and had him show up here to corroborate your story?
Already posted that I saw the guy. Never gave a crap to coroborate my story. Couldn't care less what you think.
Why haven't you gotten w/him, done the runs again with your digital cam running, and posted them?
I asked for a race before. Name the $$ and send your lil girl.
Wanna put some money on it?
YES!!!
How much you wanna bet that if 1) you start out at the same time as a Z06 in a 70-150 pull, you'll be behind at the end, and 2) if you give him a spot & try to chase him down, you'll be ten cars or so back at the end?
$10,000?
Btw, why is it that you haven't contacted the guy you ran and had him show up here to corroborate your story?
Already posted that I saw the guy. Never gave a crap to coroborate my story. Couldn't care less what you think.
Why haven't you gotten w/him, done the runs again with your digital cam running, and posted them?
Read through the thread, you OT pos"t"er. I asked for a race with money time and time again. You've offered to find a Z06 before and never came through.
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Jangy I seriously think you ran a NON-Z06 like the FAKER in Sin City
There everywhere bra, it would deff explain your race, being able to walk down a C6 Z06 after giving him the jump
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Thericker gets some Ownage of his own , so now we have a possible answer..
Fakezee o sixers unite. Makes AMG's job easy
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Ahhh hahahaha Sin City FAKERS viewing the thread now!!
POWANAGE!! You just got the smack-down with the pimp-hand beehawtch!
Why would you think I would forget our little conversation
Now go out to your garage and scrape off those fake badges NOW LIL' B-
For some reason only 32 of your 99 old posts are now available? so here's some more proof of your BS, & don't even try to say "you sold your re-badged tub & bought a REAL Z06" You obviously erased your other threads/posts, but here's 1 you missed....
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Now go out to your garage and scrape off those fake badges NOW LIL' B-
For some reason only 32 of your 99 old posts are now available? so here's some more proof of your BS, & don't even try to say "you sold your re-badged tub & bought a REAL Z06" You obviously erased your other threads/posts, but here's 1 you missed....
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