It's time!! VRP700 VS MHP. Tuner showdown at Sacto. 10/25/08
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Wow, this is embarrassinig, You would never see John Lingenfelter(RIP) going at Reeves Callaway like this! We are all here for the same reason to share info, make new friends and most important Go Fast! So from this point on Andy chill and Victor in the future if something like this comes up just pm the member and give your caution there. Now lets have less of 
and more of
Hammer Out!
and more of Hammer Out!
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If you're watching what you're doing and glued to the AFR guage, you can run lean for a second and not hurt anything. You'd think 14:1 AFR at 1200 RWHP on 50 psi boost and a 200 shot would blow a hole in a piston right?
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Wow, this is embarrassinig, You would never see John Lingenfelter(RIP) going at Reeves Callaway like this! We are all here for the same reason to share info, make new friends and most important Go Fast! So from this point on Andy chill and Victor in the future if something like this comes up just pm the member and give your caution there. Now lets have less of and more of
Hammer Out!
and more of Hammer Out!
From posts as of late with MHP and some others in different threads it seems to get so tense and turns nasty. Why is that? From my perspective, I thought it was a friendly competition and some healthy bantering between tuners is cool.
A potential customer reading through these threads would start to think twice about getting a tune from several tuners here. (No names needed.)
Just my $3 worth and observation.
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Andy, how much power do you think you're leaving on the table? Given the unique circumstance that the tune is a "remote" tune and the car is highly modified, you obviously left some power on the table to account for varying conditions such as octane level, air density (since it is speed density vs mass-air), intercooler efficiency (or in-efficiency) in order to deliver a safe tune. I would think given the situation and the laws of physics, there would be something to gain from a live tune in this particular application. Your thoughts?
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Andy, how much power do you think you're leaving on the table? Given the unique circumstance that the tune is a "remote" tune and the car is highly modified, you obviously left some power on the table to account for varying conditions such as octane level, air density (since it is speed density vs mass-air), intercooler efficiency (or in-efficiency) in order to deliver a safe tune. I would think given the situation and the laws of physics, there would be something to gain from a live tune in this particular application. Your thoughts?
That being said I believe that we're making more power remote tuning than PC did with the car on a dyno. Not trying to fan the flames, just stating my opinion. I guess we'll see what the track and dyno results yield.
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Very good point, one of the best posts on the thread. On the outside looking in, it looks like posturing, and threatening due to sponsorship and/or moderating.
From posts as of late with MHP and some others in different threads it seems to get so tense and turns nasty. Why is that? From my perspective, I thought it was a friendly competition and some healthy bantering between tuners is cool.
A potential customer reading through these threads would start to think twice about getting a tune from several tuners here. (No names needed.)
Just my $3 worth and observation.
From posts as of late with MHP and some others in different threads it seems to get so tense and turns nasty. Why is that? From my perspective, I thought it was a friendly competition and some healthy bantering between tuners is cool.
A potential customer reading through these threads would start to think twice about getting a tune from several tuners here. (No names needed.)
Just my $3 worth and observation.
Sorry but you'll never see me telling another tuner's customer what to do with a competitors tune. EVER. It's flat out crossing the line, ignorant, and insulting.
Take it FWIW.
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The way I understood it, Victor was cautioning his customer on what to do with his highly modified car (featuring many tuner's products), not anyone's tune. The fact that Victor suggested that as a safety precaution didn't strike me as "crossing the line, ignorant, and insulting", but rather as concerned about a customer avoiding a potential problem. I re-read it many times and have yet to connect your reaction with Victor's post.
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BTW, I am a fan of Vadim in Costa Mesa and as Victor is pointing out that has less and less to do with VRP.
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Let it go! Do what you do best, tune cars and make customers happy!
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Hey Jang I hear what you're saying but we both are very into this modding world and search for every last piece of info we can. I have been building motors since I was 16 (45 now
) and have a vast knowlage of what is what. I for one must say that once I spoke a few times to Andy on the phone I feel that he and his product are on top of the game. If you play poker and have a royal flush you can bet with BIG ***** 
I feel that Andy knows what he has and feels it is the best. I have to give him the on his salesmanship. He is here saying "I have the best tune on the market, buy it or miss the boat."
That is a very BOLD stand. I have a Renntech tune now and am very happy with it but would love to give Andy's tune a shot. I for one am always on the hunt for new TECH. Blowing up my motor on a record pass would be a "REAL BLAST"
LETS ASK JIM,
I hear what you're saying but we both are very into this modding world and search for every last piece of info we can. I have been building motors since I was 16 (45 now) and have a vast knowlage of what is what. I for one must say that once I spoke a few times to Andy on the phone I feel that he and his product are on top of the game. If you play poker and have a royal flush you can bet with BIG ***** I feel that Andy knows what he has and feels it is the best. I have to give him the on his salesmanship. He is here saying "I have the best tune on the market, buy it or miss the boat."That is a very BOLD stand. I have a Renntech tune now and am very happy with it but would love to give Andy's tune a shot. I for one am always on the hunt for new TECH. Blowing up my motor on a record pass would be a "REAL BLAST"
LETS ASK JIM,
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The way I understood it, Victor was cautioning his customer on what to do with his highly modified car (featuring many tuner's products), not anyone's tune. The fact that Victor suggested that as a safety precaution didn't strike me as "crossing the line, ignorant, and insulting", but rather as concerned about a customer avoiding a potential problem. I re-read it many times and have yet to connect your reaction with Victor's post.
It's ignorant and insulting because VRP doesn't have the first clue as to what our tunes consist of or how safe they really are, therefore they have no reason whatsoever to even make a suggestion about testing our tune. They're making assumptions about the quality of our tuning, and the knowledge/experience base that goes with it, and yes we happen to take that as an insult, especially coming from a competing entity.
Finally, Jim's already beat the snot out of his car for 40-50 miles +, if something bad was going to happen, it would've already and everyone would know.
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You could call it proven and it changes nothing. The point doesn't change. I consider your clients "sellouts", especially the established members, because they are willing to compromise integrity for a quick tune. I can understand the 63 guys doing it but it blows my mind that anyone with a 55k would even speak to you, much less pay you.
BTW, I am a fan of Vadim in Costa Mesa and as Victor is pointing out that has less and less to do with VRP.
BTW, I am a fan of Vadim in Costa Mesa and as Victor is pointing out that has less and less to do with VRP.
Integrity, Quick Tune?
Ask anyone of our customers what they think of our integrity, then ask them what they think of our products.
Our tunes are not quick "one size fits all" reflashes like most others in this business do, ours are 100% custom to every application we do, they simply have to be. The flip side of that is we have the best tuning on the market bar none, and aren't afraid to go head to head with anyone.
LOL, still a bit salty are we Jangy? You may not like my demeanor, and I may not like yours, but the forum is big enough for us both. Just don't threaten my life with a 9mm and we'll get along just fine.
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Hey Jang I hear what you're saying but we both are very into this modding world and search for every last piece of info we can. I have been building motors since I was 16 (45 now) and have a vast knowlage of what is what. I for one must say that once I spoke a few times to Andy on the phone I feel that he and his product are on top of the game. If you play poker and have a royal flush you can bet with BIG ***** I feel that Andy knows what he has and feels it is the best. I have to give him the on his salesmanship. He is here saying "I have the best tune on the market, buy it or miss the boat."
That is a very BOLD stand.
I hear what you're saying but we both are very into this modding world and search for every last piece of info we can. I have been building motors since I was 16 (45 now) and have a vast knowlage of what is what. I for one must say that once I spoke a few times to Andy on the phone I feel that he and his product are on top of the game. If you play poker and have a royal flush you can bet with BIG ***** I feel that Andy knows what he has and feels it is the best. I have to give him the on his salesmanship. He is here saying "I have the best tune on the market, buy it or miss the boat."That is a very BOLD stand.
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Yup, honestly thats all it is. I still haven't seen a client of yours and waiting. I remember your claim that your tune alone would give more power than VRP's hardware and tune. Threats are for those that are looking for reactions. If I pull a gun, I'll plan to use it.
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I stand behind my statement that we will make more safe power than a PC tune any day of the week. Again not trying to start a flame war just stating MHO. We'll have quite a few PC/Renntech and Kleeman comparisons in the next few weeks from board members with all types of AMG/MBs.
Again lots of data coming in both objective and subjective, no question I want it in and up asap as well.
Thanks
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from a personal horror story with powerchip my self i can say there product and customer service is complete garbage.
i know bruce from ttmotorsports in farmingdale,NY who only gets his tunes done by the best.
Ive only heard the Best from MHP.. andy keep up the good work.
vrp im surprised the big mb tuner company you are that you dont write or design your own software
instead use that powerchip garbage.
Along with there cheesy and queer aussy accents, Jeremy and Travis at the Powerchip California HQ are def a bunch of Tools
i know bruce from ttmotorsports in farmingdale,NY who only gets his tunes done by the best.
Ive only heard the Best from MHP.. andy keep up the good work.
vrp im surprised the big mb tuner company you are that you dont write or design your own software
instead use that powerchip garbage.Along with there cheesy and queer aussy accents, Jeremy and Travis at the Powerchip California HQ are def a bunch of Tools
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I want mods// Only problem I have with Andy so far is that he won't give me a FREE tune to test... 
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I just read the whole damn thread.
PC is total garbage, I remember them calling up members and threating to sue them to remove their threads/posts.
Im surprised VRP uses that crap, I thought they had their own tune.
I enjoy reading your posts Andy, Keep up the good work.
I would def get a tune from someone who is confident in themselves and make BOLD statements like that. I agree with what rarfinancial has said.
PC is total garbage, I remember them calling up members and threating to sue them to remove their threads/posts.
Im surprised VRP uses that crap, I thought they had their own tune.
I enjoy reading your posts Andy, Keep up the good work.
I would def get a tune from someone who is confident in themselves and make BOLD statements like that. I agree with what rarfinancial has said.
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Thanks guys. We take pride in our products simply because we know what they can do.
Unfortunately "someone" at PC has been contacting some of our customers directly and has attempted to make shady deals with them. We have phone records and first hand testimony, as such we've commenced legal action.
Sad.
Unfortunately "someone" at PC has been contacting some of our customers directly and has attempted to make shady deals with them. We have phone records and first hand testimony, as such we've commenced legal action.
Sad.
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...VRP doesn't have the first clue as to what our tunes consist of or how safe they really are, therefore they have no reason whatsoever to even make a suggestion about testing our tune. They're making assumptions about the quality of our tuning, and the knowledge/experience base that goes with it, and yes we happen to take that as an insult, especially coming from a competing entity.
Finally, Jim's already beat the snot out of his car for 40-50 miles +, if something bad was going to happen, it would've already and everyone would know.
Finally, Jim's already beat the snot out of his car for 40-50 miles +, if something bad was going to happen, it would've already and everyone would know.
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Here is what I get from this post.
1 - VRP covers their *** with someone using a different ECU and Tune with their hardware and suggests a dyno run before the track. Good move albeit probably should have been sent via PM.
2 - Andy is pissed at Powerchips and takes it out on VRP and Vic (Mod) even to the point of reporting Vic to Internet Brands, Inc. to have him removed as moderator.
3 - Andy is supposed to be a nice guy in person...but a ***** on the internet.
4 - Some people chime in on the crap tunes that PC gives. I personally like their tune and had zero problems with them.
Can't wait to see the results personally.
1 - VRP covers their *** with someone using a different ECU and Tune with their hardware and suggests a dyno run before the track. Good move albeit probably should have been sent via PM.
2 - Andy is pissed at Powerchips and takes it out on VRP and Vic (Mod) even to the point of reporting Vic to Internet Brands, Inc. to have him removed as moderator.
3 - Andy is supposed to be a nice guy in person...but a ***** on the internet.
4 - Some people chime in on the crap tunes that PC gives. I personally like their tune and had zero problems with them.
Can't wait to see the results personally.
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Very good point, one of the best posts on the thread. On the outside looking in, it looks like posturing, and threatening due to sponsorship and/or moderating.
From posts as of late with MHP and some others in different threads it seems to get so tense and turns nasty. Why is that? From my perspective, I thought it was a friendly competition and some healthy bantering between tuners is cool.
A potential customer reading through these threads would start to think twice about getting a tune from several tuners here. (No names needed.)
Just my $3 worth and observation.
From posts as of late with MHP and some others in different threads it seems to get so tense and turns nasty. Why is that? From my perspective, I thought it was a friendly competition and some healthy bantering between tuners is cool.
A potential customer reading through these threads would start to think twice about getting a tune from several tuners here. (No names needed.)
Just my $3 worth and observation.
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I expect my 100 octane ECU/TCU tune back from Andy this morning (yep, Sat. Delivery), as soon as I plug it back in and beat on it for a little while I will let you know what I think. Due to me living int he central time zone I might have some feedback posted up before Jakpro get his results posted....stay tuned.
