MHP

Because our goal was simply to make more power than Renntech with a safe tune. Mission accomplished. After speaking with Jeff multiple times on the phone he seemed very happy with the results.
Since his thread has turned into yet another pissing contest we're now going to take away any and all doubt.

blackbenzz

Spoken like a true scientist! I thought I was back at work!!!
Sundays have been reserved for football every week this season so far for me. But Several of my fantasy players are on a bye (Gore, Colston, Rivers, etc etc) so I dont mind not putting my self through the pain of watching the games this sunday. And the skins play monday night this week But yea, I guess we will shoot for next friday

jangy

Odd, you keep rehashing the past and I'm off in the future. Keep chasing RennTech's last year.

Also, while you are making claims you should be clear with which model 63 you can tune. It is called the C, the one you have. You boast every model, every brand, and no need for dyno (A/F) data to make your tunes. Then why do you want to rework Fr33kn63's tune now that you see the data?

Andy, your skills (per say) aren't the concern. It is and has been the amount of time you have actually spent on each platform. I believe now like I did before that you have been working on the C63. What worries me is the fact that you have not had enough experience with the 55ks, yet you claim to be in control. All I have ever asked of a tuner is honesty. Empty boasting only gets us into a situation where you will never live up to your mouth. Worse yet, when something does go wrong (as it can with any tuner even though you are immune) you will raked over the coals and the single failure will be your rap.

Why can't you quit the double talk at least some? You say you don't wanna back down from rude posts, so ok. But when all I post is that the gains look minimal and may be noise you simply attack. Why not discuss how the data was gathered or presented that indicates your tune to be better? Or simply point out that if it were noise that it would likely be fairly dispursed or whatever. Why just attack? As crappy as this forum has gotten with the BMW crowd (also known as 63 runners), there are very few people here that will sink that kind of money into a mod without knowing something.

If you wanna know the truth, do a comparison on rarefinancial's 63 and then we may see something.

jangy

Haha!! I even downloaded the data into my clinical data spredsheets and i just couldn't find a good enough fit. So, we finally agree on something....

Fikse

I agree, I hope it didn't cost $2500 for 6HP average gain over the old tune....

anyways, look forward to seeing the track results!

jangy

So you are saying that you had your tuning capabilities calibrated to RennTech's year old tune?

I'll assume Jeff got the tune for free (which is still risky), since your only goal was to match an out-dated RennTech tune, instead of just tuning his car as any tuner would?

Does everyone get the watered down version?

You say they are all safe, so why leave anything on the table?

Why not make the first tune as perfect as you claim you can do without data?

Fr33kn63

geez. some fo you all are just plain rude....

anyway, I am happy with the gains I saw accross the curve.

I did speak with Andy and agreed to send him back my ecu for a little more push to the tuning.

Since this is my DD I told him it will have to wait a bit.

I am going to ship it back to him next monday as this week i really need my car and am not going to ask the wife to share hers again. Need to line up a rental for 2 days while its shipped back and forth. If I get it back by wednesday of next week i will try to hit the dyno again for a few more pulls to see more changes. But its gonna come close to maybe going to the track on 11/07
So for now people please stop hijacking the thread with useless comments regarding my tune as i dont want this to turn into another ***** thread. Start another thread if thats what you want to do.
So new data will have to wait....

MHP

You're off in the future alright

It's literally incredible how blind and biased you are, do you not understand that internally speaking a 63 is a 63? We make more power/tq than anyone with an otherwise stock tuned C63/63. We have the quickest/fastest C63 in the world and it has just tuning and DRs. We just made more power and torque across the curve than than the biggest name in the game with our first E63--not to mention the ability to do a 7A TCU. Jim and John's CLK BS dynos are otw and both owners expect their results to be easily improved upon based on the previous software in their cars. Model per model, no one (aftermarket entity/tuner) will come out of MIR with more "W"s than us.

LMAO. You've got to be kidding me...it's the same motor Jangy (6.2L/4V), the only differences aside from tuning are the air inlet tubing and exhausts. Again our first E63 just made more power than the reigning champ "with multi million dollar budget that's been doing it for 20+ years" and you're still in denial.

We've been skating on thin ice so to speak since arriving, and guess what, we're still here and doing better than ever. Like it or not, but we have delivered everything we said we would.

First, look who's talking. Second, what?

Are you serious? Did you read any of my posts? The ones that stated the fact that avg HP/TQ (not peak) wins races, asking that the test be conducted in a standardized (CF, gear, dyno, etc.) manner in the interest of fairness to all parties, my breakdown of the gains per rpm/$?

What else can you ask for?

I think it's quite clear you're a glass half empty kind of guy with a projection issue.

I guess it's a good thing his ECU arrives tomorrow.

MHP

Jeff paid for more power from the ECU and a modified TCU, and that's exactly what he got. Posts like yours and Jangy's just motivate us to raise the bar even higher.

MHP

I just gotta ask, is your car even running right now? If so what kind of numbers are you making with what mods/tuning?

No, only mentally impaired midgets from the people's republic of Cali get the watered down version.

As with everything in life, there are margins. Jeff could run the present tune on 91 octane, he won't be able to with the revision. Not sure I'd do that with the Renntech (run it on 91).

Again, we beat Renntech across the board with gains over 9rwhp/13rwtq in the midrange, and you're trying to spin the results into a failure.

Whose paypal fund are we transferring $ to so Jangy can fly out to MIR?

jangy

I hope he was bright enough not to send you his RennTech tuned ECU or his primary ECU for that matter.

ROCKETW19

Bro, you are happy with it right now! why go threw all the BS of sending it back for a couple HP? Personaly I would just leave it be. Your TCU tuning will get you the precious tenths in the 1/4 mile anyways not the 2 more HP.
Good luck either way.

ROCKETW19

Hey slow your roll buddy only us Kalifornians can say thoes words!

I also have the supersprint exhaust system you mentioned earlyer about. But I paid $8500 for it installed and got 50rwhp and the baddest sound you ever heard.

Just busting your chops.

Gondon

LOL I bet Jangy will get an MHP tune soon when he sees how far behind he is, But since MHP has him on the ban list he will pose as someone else just to get it done

No Offense Jangy, just busting your *****.

jangy

jangy@yahoo.com
send it.

MHP

Jesus you're dense. The only real comparisons you can make are same track/dyno corrected preference in that order. I have no idea what kind of power my car would make on Jeff's dyno, or his on mine. All that's important was our tune v Renntech's on the same dyno with all else equal.

Seriously, you're just out there...

Looks like you've already had enough.

On what? Every TCU we've done has completley satisfied its owner by doing what we said it would. Feel free to ask any of our customers or those that have driven their cars.

Care to place your $ where your mouth is? I'm game if you are.

Team MHP will consist of 3 CLK BS's, an E63, C63, CLK55, CL65, S600, CL600, and an E55. If there were classes, we'd win all that we'd enter by a landslide save the 600s. Jay has a quick setup, should be a good race.

That exact verbage was posted by several MHP detractors when we first arrived on this site. Trust me, I'm laughing too.

So it's a good thing we have dyno and track results to back the claims? I thought so too.

jangy

All I need is a flashbooster and I can get whatever tune is copied. MHP's ability to tune is out the window at this point. I think some are sitting on the sidelines to see data and they will get in. Others of us have already decided if we would buy anything from them. I'm not saying that Andy cares, but it still doesn't change facts.

But, again, what numbers will prive his point? There are absolutely ZERO head to head battles scheduled for now, so we will not be finding anything out soon. MIR will come and go and once again we will see how good the east coast conditions are. So what?

MHP

50rw from a stock longblock N/A 6.2 exhaust I'd have to see to believe. Got any track/dyno data? Even if the gains were real our tuning is still a bargain by comparison.

jangy

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You may think so, but you talk quite the game and your averages just don't hang with your mouth...
So it's a good thing we have dyno and track results to back the claims? I thought so too.

Yes, it would be.


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I hope he was bright enough not to send you his RennTech tuned ECU or his primary ECU for that matter.


Then I'll take your smiley to imply that you are about to "crack" the new RennTech tune.

MHP

Numbers prove everything to an objective mind Jangy. You can blame the other tuners in the business for not stepping up to our shootout challenge. We did everything possible to make it happen. Thankfully we don't need on site competitors to set records.

PS--Love how you're already attempting to discredit the results from a future race event for personal reasons.

ROCKETW19

OOOPs im sorry bro I have a real car, 55er 4 life. (untill I can afford a CLK BS)

jangy

Back to you not having a clue and yet yap yap.. I have always discreditted numbers alone. To me, if the cars didn't run side by side, then I am not interested. You are. What is my personal reason? All of this started with me spanking stock Z06s in California (at the track and on the road). In your ideal world, I should never have won but I did and I was only coming to MIR to make money from another Vette run. Why wouldn't I take that bet? I can mod my E all I want and then just run a stock Z06. They may be fast, but not that fast. The bet never happened and I didn't sink an extra $10K into the car to win. The only thing personal here is your mouth.

ROCKETW19

Thats not realy fair to say the other companys are not stepping up. Come to the WEST side for a few passes Im sure you would get at least VRP there. The other companys could care less I would guess?
I will race any 55 you bring motor to motor.

MHP

Still don't believe the #s. 2.3L twin screw cars don't gain 50rw from an exhaust. Plus tune and it makes sense otherwise, where are the numbers?

jangy

Of course it was plus tune (VRP). Tuning isn't new here...