E63 Renntech vs MHP data
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Listen to rocket. Back then he was the guy that was chasing every mod for his car. He ended up working with lots of people and we (the members here) had some concerns at that time. I know I am a big contributor to this OT stuff, but separate yourself from the discussions. Rocket taught me one thing. Be happy with your car and don't worry what people think. If you like it, great. If you feel you want more, then chase it.
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Numbers prove everything to an objective mind Jangy.
Actually, they don't. That is exactly where you are off. Our analysis of those numbers is what matters. You and I both looked at the same data set. You saw an obviouys winner and I didn't. Basically, your signal to noise ratio is too low for the number of reps you have.
Actually, they don't. That is exactly where you are off. Our analysis of those numbers is what matters. You and I both looked at the same data set. You saw an obviouys winner and I didn't. Basically, your signal to noise ratio is too low for the number of reps you have.
What did you do to make this happen?
Just keep correcting those numbers, now will ya?
Back to you not having a clue and yet yap yap.. I have always discreditted numbers alone. To me, if the cars didn't run side by side, then I am not interested.
What is my personal reason? All of this started with me spanking stock Z06s in California (at the track and on the road). In your ideal world, I should never have won but I did and I was only coming to MIR to make money from another Vette run. Why wouldn't I take that bet? I can mod my E all I want and then just run a stock Z06. They may be fast, but not that fast. The bet never happened and I didn't sink an extra $10K into the car to win. The only thing personal here is your mouth.
Back to you not having a clue and yet yap yap.. I have always discreditted numbers alone. To me, if the cars didn't run side by side, then I am not interested. You are. What is my personal reason? All of this started with me spanking stock Z06s in California (at the track and on the road). In your ideal world, I should never have won but I did and I was only coming to MIR to make money from another Vette run. Why wouldn't I take that bet? I can mod my E all I want and then just run a stock Z06. They may be fast, but not that fast. The bet never happened and I didn't sink an extra $10K into the car to win. The only thing personal here is your mouth.[/QUOTE]
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Damm my bad again, I have not gave enough info sorry. I just figured you knew what my car had. I forget you are new here. anyways yes that was with a tune also. And to be honest it wasnt quite 50 it was more like 47. I just like to say 50hp
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The other companies have a lot to lose and are used to getting away with murder, there is no incentive for them to step up only to lose--other than pride and/or confidence in their product, which evidently they're lacking.
Bring your ride and your $ to MIR (the wagers made will easily cover your travel expenses should you win) and let's do this.
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I agree 100%....Jeff if you are happy with it...I wouldn't go through the hassle of getting a few more hp. Let's face it, the MHP tune performed better than the tune that was on your car. As Rocket points out the TCU shifting may get you to the promised land anyway....if you are bent on picking up the additional ponies...maybe Andy can load the new software at MIR so you can see what it does immediately at the track compared to the version you just dynoed. As far as I am concerned you have done enough and I appreciate your efforts to do the best comparison you can at this point. I hope you don't feel the need to pacify everyone on here...it will never happen anyway...as I always say ...strive for excellence... not perfection
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Tom,
The ECU/TCU need miles to learn before working optimally. I tell my customers 200 miles before testing (Jeff had ~125 I believe).
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Seriously, what's the deal with the Z06 rant above? Are you high or just dillusional? Between that at the comment about Tom being our affiliate I almost fell off the couch.
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We can send Jeff out to pick up lunch...since MIR is in the middle of nowhere to the closest restaurant and back should be enough...
Seriously, why not meet up with him the night before the event...flash him then...he can drive around for a little bit...that plus the drive out to MIR should be enough.
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No actually, it merely proves your ignorance on the topic.
BLAH BLAH BLAH...Did I loose you?
We will continue to post both uncorrected and corrected numbers as we always have.
Whichever is better, huh?
Explain to me how cars run side by side on the same dyno...
Dyno? Again, lost you huh? Go look it up. You were talking about MIR and me discrediting it beforehand....for personal reasons no less.
WTF are you talking about reg. Z06s? Do you have me confused with someone else or did you double up on your lithium? Honestly, I hope you're drunk/high, etc otherwise you need to be committed.
What does doubling the lithium do?
BLAH BLAH BLAH...Did I loose you?
We will continue to post both uncorrected and corrected numbers as we always have.
Whichever is better, huh?
Explain to me how cars run side by side on the same dyno...
Dyno? Again, lost you huh? Go look it up. You were talking about MIR and me discrediting it beforehand....for personal reasons no less.
WTF are you talking about reg. Z06s? Do you have me confused with someone else or did you double up on your lithium? Honestly, I hope you're drunk/high, etc otherwise you need to be committed.
What does doubling the lithium do?
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We can send Jeff out to pick up lunch...since MIR is in the middle of nowhere to the closest restaurant and back should be enough...
Seriously, why not meet up with him the night before the event...flash him then...he can drive around for a little bit...that plus the drive out to MIR should be enough.
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Seriously, why not meet up with him the night before the event...flash him then...he can drive around for a little bit...that plus the drive out to MIR should be enough.
Tom
We knew we left power on the table and therefore know we can net him higher numbers at no further expense on his end (other than shipping the ECU to us, we'll cover it on the way back). I'm not sure why he wouldn't want to do it asap. As it stands it's either coming back tomorrow or Monday.
This allows enough time to redyno before MIR, then hit the track in the same week.
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Tom,
We knew we left power on the table and therefore know we can net him higher numbers at no further expense on his end (other than shipping the ECU to us, we'll cover it on the way back). I'm not sure why he wouldn't want to do it asap. As it stands it's either coming back tomorrow or Monday.
This allows enough time to redyno before MIR, then hit the track in the same week.
We knew we left power on the table and therefore know we can net him higher numbers at no further expense on his end (other than shipping the ECU to us, we'll cover it on the way back). I'm not sure why he wouldn't want to do it asap. As it stands it's either coming back tomorrow or Monday.
This allows enough time to redyno before MIR, then hit the track in the same week.
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Im not realy a betting man beside I have no ego to puff up. I realy wouldnt care if I won or lost. But since you offered I will race your C63 motor to motor for the cost of all my travel expences.
But just dont laugh at me when I pull up to the starting line on my 20" HREs and street tires.
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Not sure how you could "loose" me, but you lost me a few pages back. Somehow, someway, your posts always end up turning into incoherent and nonsensical drivel. I guess that's just your way of bowing out...forget about gracefully...
Both so people can make up their own minds. I'm a fan of corrected for reasons I've gone over many times before. It's industry standard to correct dyno #s but no one wants to see their best ETs/traps raised/lowered respectively when they run in negative DA air at the track. We will def. be correcting up at MIR.
I don't think I'm the one talking in circles here bud.
That's a question for your psychiatrist.
Whichever is better, huh?
Again, lost you huh? Go look it up. You were talking about MIR and me discrediting it beforehand....for personal reasons no less.
What does doubling the lithium do?
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You've been rude as can be to EVERY member that does not flat out listen to you. It is cool for most of us, especially me since this place is my entertainment. But some are not as thick skinned as you and I and you don't seem to care. I deserve your best, that isn't the issue. Just mellow out with attacks and actually say why?
On this thread, WHY do you think the numbers look successful? I can see saying that you did well for your first round or even that the MHP data appears to be better than the RennTech. But to just insist that the numbers are huge is not cool.
Nah, the vette is before you and what started all the East coasters hating at me. Then, we had the LET scuffle so it was pretty tense before you showed up. Now, it is just worse and I have contributed as much as anyone.
That is serious.
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7.5 hours is a long drive but I think thats how long I would sit in the plane to get there. Way to far for me.
Im not realy a betting man beside I have no ego to puff up. I realy wouldnt care if I won or lost. But since you offered I will race your C63 motor to motor for the cost of all my travel expences.
But just dont laugh at me when I pull up to the starting line on my 20" HREs and street tires.
Im not realy a betting man beside I have no ego to puff up. I realy wouldnt care if I won or lost. But since you offered I will race your C63 motor to motor for the cost of all my travel expences.
But just dont laugh at me when I pull up to the starting line on my 20" HREs and street tires.
We decided to run tuning only (filters/gaskets/DRs as well) at MIR to showcase what we can do with just a ECU/TCU flash. Shortly after we'll have a full exhaust and redesigned air inlet setup on, as well as our own UD pulley (that might make it on by MIR by itself).
That being said I'll run your car on 20" radials with just tuning/filters/gaskets/DRs and maybe a UD pulley at MIR for the cost of your travel if you're game.
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Tom,
We knew we left power on the table and therefore know we can net him higher numbers at no further expense on his end (other than shipping the ECU to us, we'll cover it on the way back). I'm not sure why he wouldn't want to do it asap. As it stands it's either coming back tomorrow or Monday.
This allows enough time to redyno before MIR, then hit the track in the same week.
We knew we left power on the table and therefore know we can net him higher numbers at no further expense on his end (other than shipping the ECU to us, we'll cover it on the way back). I'm not sure why he wouldn't want to do it asap. As it stands it's either coming back tomorrow or Monday.
This allows enough time to redyno before MIR, then hit the track in the same week.
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Ok seriously.
You've been rude as can be to EVERY member that does not flat out listen to you. It is cool for most of us, especially me since this place is my entertainment. But some are not as thick skinned as you and I and you don't seem to care. I deserve your best, that isn't the issue. Just mellow out with attacks and actually say why?
On this thread, WHY do you think the numbers look successful? I can see saying that you did well for your first round or even that the MHP data appears to be better than the RennTech. But to just insist that the numbers are huge is not cool.
Nah, the vette is before you and what started all the East coasters hating at me. Then, we had the LET scuffle so it was pretty tense before you showed up. Now, it is just worse and I have contributed as much as anyone.
That is serious.
You've been rude as can be to EVERY member that does not flat out listen to you. It is cool for most of us, especially me since this place is my entertainment. But some are not as thick skinned as you and I and you don't seem to care. I deserve your best, that isn't the issue. Just mellow out with attacks and actually say why?
On this thread, WHY do you think the numbers look successful? I can see saying that you did well for your first round or even that the MHP data appears to be better than the RennTech. But to just insist that the numbers are huge is not cool.
Nah, the vette is before you and what started all the East coasters hating at me. Then, we had the LET scuffle so it was pretty tense before you showed up. Now, it is just worse and I have contributed as much as anyone.
That is serious.
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Ok seriously.
You've been rude as can be to EVERY member that does not flat out listen to you. It is cool for most of us, especially me since this place is my entertainment. But some are not as thick skinned as you and I and you don't seem to care. I deserve your best, that isn't the issue. Just mellow out with attacks and actually say why?
You've been rude as can be to EVERY member that does not flat out listen to you. It is cool for most of us, especially me since this place is my entertainment. But some are not as thick skinned as you and I and you don't seem to care. I deserve your best, that isn't the issue. Just mellow out with attacks and actually say why?
On this thread, WHY do you think the numbers look successful? I can see saying that you did well for your first round or even that the MHP data appears to be better than the RennTech. But to just insist that the numbers are huge is not cool.
Nah, the vette is before you and what started all the East coasters hating at me. Then, we had the LET scuffle so it was pretty tense before you showed up. Now, it is just worse and I have contributed as much as anyone.
That is serious.
That is serious.
Thanks
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Again, real bright. is retard the best you can do? You never said who in your past owned you so? Damn, and we planned this out so well, too. Oh well, better luck next time.
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Where are you flying in from AK? If you really want to race motor to motor, you'll need to pull that blower off
We decided to run tuning only (filters/gaskets/DRs as well) at MIR to showcase what we can do with just a ECU/TCU flash. Shortly after we'll have a full exhaust and redesigned air inlet setup on, as well as our own UD pulley (that might make it on by MIR by itself).
That being said I'll run your car on 20" radials with just tuning/filters/gaskets/DRs and maybe a UD pulley at MIR for the cost of your travel if you're game.
We decided to run tuning only (filters/gaskets/DRs as well) at MIR to showcase what we can do with just a ECU/TCU flash. Shortly after we'll have a full exhaust and redesigned air inlet setup on, as well as our own UD pulley (that might make it on by MIR by itself).
That being said I'll run your car on 20" radials with just tuning/filters/gaskets/DRs and maybe a UD pulley at MIR for the cost of your travel if you're game.
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Because it is kind of a pain for for him to be down a car...and his ultimate goal is to do well at MIR. I figured as long as his ECU is "broken-in" with the latest software by the time he lines up on 11/15 it wouldn't matter to him. All the dyno stuff is more relevant for everyone else... I just wanted to suggest something that aligns with his goals...I think he has done enough at this point.
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Understood and I don't disagree. Though after conversing with Jeff I think he's game for another go around asap. He's addicted to modding just like most of the rest of us.
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LOL I ran a 11.7 with a no prep track (1.9 60') that was also before a custom tune and 50rwhp ago. with a preped track I see 11.4 no problem at MIR probably 11.3. Yes this was on 20s
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