Originally Posted by BRUTALLYHONEST

How? Don't you mean MHP? I would buy from either of them in a second, but never MHP.

Originally Posted by JT55

YOu won't have to, Im on Chapter 6 - its called "Tuning The ECu /TCU with household items" It wont be long now - Honey plug this end into the microwave now get me some 30 weight ball bearings and some gauze pads.....

Originally Posted by CL#1

Boy Evo/Powerchip this really blew up in your face!

Even with Brad on here managing/steering the thread it still derailed on you guys. Well, if members are not going to buy from MHP they sure as hell are not buying from you now either. And oh poor Jrturncoat who hitches his caboose to Evo/Powerchip putting all of his confidence in what they have to say LMAO Is that sound of a toilet I hear??? Why YES, it's someone's credibility going down the drain. Nice work guys!

Originally Posted by BRUTALLYHONEST

How? Don't you mean MHP? I would buy from either of them in a second, but never MHP.

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

yep, it's all ball bearings these days.

Originally Posted by BG Tuning

Okay again alot of missinformation and out right untruths, I do the tuning for MHP, We do not need or do we use or resell powerchips/LET/Rentech/Kleemen/Evosport/ Etc... files or tunes, we have 100% access to the ecu not 70% or 80% like others, I think it is a injustace for other companies to ask for our tunes so they can look at them. I don't need or care to see other tuner stuff, I trust my own tuning ability. If a customer has an issue with our tunes they can send it back and I will retune or adjust,,The fact is we have tuned multiple vehicles with excellent results, both in engine performance and transmission shifting performance. With posted so everyone can see dyno results/track times/and pure out driveability. We have even tuned vehicles with other vendors prevoius tunes and have had them do unbias a/b comparisions. We have had no problem calling out other tuners for a shoot out, which we have multiple times in the past and nobody showed up to disput our results. We have had nothing to hide and Andy has been more than fair showing our results and improvments as we have progressed and made updates. If we made a misstake we are human and will fix. If by chance a ECU did not get tuned it wasn't done on purpose and again I have no problem making it right. It is a said issue that if by chance a ECU went out undone that people and or other vendors right away want to say we are frauds or selling other vendors stuff, all you vendors or socalled experts should be ashamed for allowing this mess to get to the point is it at. That is a complete untruth and outright slander. I have been tuning vehicles for over 20 years and have tuned probly every package avalible, Hell they said on the Lexus forum that I could not tune a new ISF so I tuned it for them, or that I could not tune a Toyota truck so I tuned it for them also. I don't have the time or space to be pulled into this mess. Again We have had nothing to hide and will continue to keep on showing our results.

Originally Posted by HYEPWR

"Ask Rock....PM Rock"


Anytime I asked Andy about his tune/tcu---I was told to ask Rock.

So Rock.....what boat are you in--in all this stuff?? Did the 'improvents" you felt placebo effect or real differances?

still having that 1-2 shift slowness??

Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04

I don't have much knowledge in all of this tuning stuff but I had a friend of mine send me a video of a M6 tuned by MHP and the dyno results showed that the M6 actually lost power. I don't have a clue if that helps any lol.

I almost wish to believe that JRcart is lying about these other guys staying quiet because I don't see how its possible that no 1 can come on a forum and speak about the experience they have had with MHP. GRAB YOUR B@**S fellazzz

Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04

I don't have much knowledge in all of this tuning stuff but I had a friend of mine send me a video of a M6 tuned by MHP and the dyno results showed that the M6 actually lost power. I don't have a clue if that helps any lol.

I almost wish to believe that JRcart is lying about these other guys staying quiet because I don't see how its possible that no 1 can come on a forum and speak about the experience they have had with MHP. GRAB YOUR B@**S fellazzz

Originally Posted by neveo

think we need a bad vendor sticky file in this forum... curious who is on the list. i can think of two that i have purchased from

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Originally Posted by JT55

YOu won't have to, Im on Chapter 6 - its called "Tuning The ECu /TCU with household items" It wont be long now - Honey plug this end into the microwave now get me some 30 weight ball bearings and some gauze pads.....

Originally Posted by Rock

Don't ask me, ask Doctor Jones.......the one post wonder that can give you concise, accurate and entertaining answers.... even though he is gone.

Originally Posted by JT55

Rock - A close personal friend of Dr. Jones told me he is being sued right now. Seems a "team of lawyers" showed up at his house early this morning w riot police armed w search warrants. It seems the esteemed Dr. Jones is now cooling his heels in Internet Jail or Internet Hell. Which would currently be at ANdys house.
While I am not nearly quite the Hoot that Dr. Jones is I am quietly serving my penance by using a Commodore 64 w Dial up.

Originally Posted by Jim Brady

I chose not to post on the MHP thread not for fear of any retribution but it all but impossible to stay on topic and I've been and currently in the rwd vs awd war on Rennlist.

I was the other car at Willow with Jim (and thank you Jim for not sinking to the level of others and not bringing me into the afray) but I can't let MHP contentions go unchallened as he's posted in other forums.

I had previously warned MHP that his tune needed to be track tested not just WOT but on a real road course to see if there were any problems and secondly had he purchased the codes for the flash. He blew off the question.

Our track day at Willow was very enlightening as I experienced a limp mode shut down.
EVosport was there and read the codes and cleared them which was the SAME identical codes the Jim's car threw! How could this be as he had the MHP tune and mine was the PC. This really puzzled us as we now started looking at maybe we reached the cornering levels of the ESP that MB designed into the car. But that can't be because I raced the car in europe and with a factory test driver I checked some of our "g" levels and it was about the same as Willow. Now we were really puzzled. I will not mention the BS owner who said " do you think that both cars could have the same tune? It has to be, their thowing the same codes" I'll let you decide for yourself with the previous posted information.

I saw MHP posts to contend some wrong doing by EVosport as the result of the pulley, the failure was the idler which was dealer installed not EVosport. This is typical "ad hominem" attack when caught in a lie.

The rest of the story has been told, as it's clear in my mind the MHP tune was really the powerchip tune.

Jimmy is out.

Originally Posted by LZH

There were three Black Series at Willow on Jan. 15th. Mine was one of them. My ECU is bone stock. Jrcart thought he was running the MHP v3 tune and the third Black Series was running PC tune from Evosport.
Both of the other Black Series threw the SAME CODES EXCLUSIVE to POWERCHIP. My car had no problems at all and I witnessed the codes being thrown by the other cars first hand.
Now, I'm not going to speculate as to how Jims car had a PC tune on it - but, clearly it did. I also mentioned in a past thread while was driving JRcarts car that I did not notice any sort of throttle blip on downshifts and this was apparently a big selling point in the MHP TCU tune.

What has transpired here and on the other sites has been not only childish, but also has most likely delivered a major setback to the tuning industry as anyone reading this will be all the more hesitant to have their vehicle tuned. It's sad and should have been handled in private. Tim calling Andy out is a different story and I will get to that. But, I understand why Jim has posted...Andy's version of what he believes to be the truth that was posted on the other site gave Jim no other choice but to defend himself here. As to why Andy cannot post here...he is on (yet another) suspension. I think that if Andy would have behaved differently here from his first post he would be here now defending himself. But alas, he is not and only has himself to blame. Personally, I like Andy. I liked reading his posts and nobody can say that he didn't back up what he said. He stood his ground and I respect that.

What I don't respect is openly marketing one thing and selling something quite different. It appears that is what has happened with the MHP "TCU Tune". I think if Andy would have been more up front about exactly how MHP achieved TCU changes by altering ECU management, none of this would have been necessary and this "Tim" guy would never have raised his head. As many of you know, I've been involved in ongoing private discussions with AMG regarding making the C63 throttle blip available to us Black Series owners. During those discussions I have learned (not too long ago) that the blip is controlled by the ECU and not the TCU. This is the reason my ECU remains stock....

Now, let’s step back for a second and look at the chain of events posted above because they are quite accurate. All of Jim’s previous posts detailing his thoughts of the previous MHP tunes (v1 and v2) were PRE v3 if I am not mistaken. It was ONLY when Jim received the v3 tuning that problems started at Willow. The v3 tune was installed on his car, it was taken to Willow, where it then exhibited characteristics unique to PC tuning. The only thing I can think is that perhaps Dave or Andy flashed an older PC tune back into Jim’s car inadvertently thinking it was their newest v3. Seems odd, but they have had issues in the past with other members tunes not taking and the ECU tune reverting back to the previous installed... ie Renntech….Then what is even more puzzling is the fact that Jim’s MHP NOS tuned ECU was in fact a tune that was confirmed to be propitiatory to MHP. So that begs the question….Why would MHP try to dupe Jim with a PC tune and call it their v3 when they in fact DID provide their own NOS tuned ECU ??? It just doesn’t make sense. Andy has gone to great lengths to provide us with hard facts and data to prove their tuning ability and I don’t doubt that they CAN tune with good results. However, one common complaint about MHP throughout this all has been that they made claims before actually providing results. In short, they seemed to come off as not having all their ducks in a row. Perhaps this is simply what happened with Jims ECU. Dave’s post acknowledges that they have made mistakes and will do whatever it takes to make the customer happy if given the chance. I hope that this is just a case of them making a mistake but it makes me very apprehensive about mail order tuning and not being able to have the car at the tuners shop. Anyway….those are my thoughts. I think this all stinks to high heaven and hope those involved can work it out in an amicable fashion.


EDIT -
I notice different individuals who clearly work for Powerchip who are constantly viewing this thread, who have been members for quite a while yet have ZERO posts. My message to you is the following. Times have changed. It's time to come out from behind your keyboards and show your interest and in involvement in the community. Especially NOW with everything that has been said. Sitting by and watching this trainwreck, while your company is in the middle of it, stinks. At least give us the facts as you know them to be and let us make a decision.

Originally Posted by Jim Brady

The rest of the story has been told, as it's clear in my mind the MHP tune was really the powerchip tune.

Originally Posted by jrcart

You better pop your head over into Jakpro's thread...he is one of the most respected people on this board, some people don't like me or the way I speak my mind openly, but I have yet to meet a person that does not respect Jim/Jakpro1. Him coming forward is going to give my story, Evosports and Powerchips story 100% credibility. So now I suggest you go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and hide.

...one more thing, I will be posting even more evidence verty shortly...this is the so called "smoking gun" evidence I promised every one. Don't be too suprised if a few more people come forward in the next day or two.

Originally Posted by indyjoe

You should just say that "Hey, I had concerns that MHP's tune was unsafe, so I decided to switch.", but you kept going on about how he may have stole PC's tune, or it was the same tune. This was after months of you going on and on and on and on about how incredible the tune was and what a difference it makes.

Things just don't add up. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by AMGSC

I have to agree. Jim, your claims about the increased performance just DOES NOT jive with your arguments that it was the same PowerChip tune that you were less impressed with. Can it be that Andy just over-tuned everybody's cars to the brink of safety to squeeze the extra performance (gut, track and dyno results)! I've been there and have too damaged pistons to prove it.

Originally Posted by otoupalik

To correct this, as it is not quite right.

Powerchip did not flash the two C63's with stock software, not did it not take. They flashed them with version 1, which was before they unlocked the throttle opening from the E/SL. So, the flash DID take, it was just the wrong file.

FYI, there is no such thing as a tune not taking. In the case of attempting to flash over another tuner's file, it will either take or it will tell you during the process that it will not load over the encrypted data as I understand it. But either way, the tuner knows at that point if the tune "took" - it is not a surprise that the user has to find out later.

thanks
Brad

Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM

What tuner did you use that damaged your engine? Mailed tune, or custom tune? TIA... this kind of info helps everyone on the forums.

Originally Posted by jrcart

.......now get back to your Kool-aid loser!

Originally Posted by DerekFSU

This is a perfect example of why some folks don't frequent this forum as much as before.
It's too bad his attitude always overshadows everything he does.

Originally Posted by jrcart

Show me where I said "he may have stole PC's tune" They only person using the word stole, stolen or steal is Andy on the thread he started last night on Absolutely driven forum.

.......now get back to your Kool-aid loser!