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A long time ago there was a discussion about the 1998 CLK 430. Long story short there were just too many CLK430s running around with AMG badges placed as you have seen above. So one could assume there cant be that many posers. A quick google search will reveal this has been discussed many many times on many different forums.
I remember reading a post by a guy who worked for MBUSA who claimed the AMG badges were installed at the Port of Jacksonville and were indeed sold off dealer's lots with the AMG badge. I believe this was done at the dealers request on cars that were pre-ordered. This was before the CLK55 (m112) came out in 2001 and AMGS offerings were limited to the E55 and the C36/C43 (Which was made before MB even acquired AMG). In the CLK430s defense the car did come with the wheels and the body kit offically marketed as the sport package. HOwever if you were to enter the VIN in AMGPL, you will not gain access bc officially Mercedes Benz never sold a CLK430.
I remember reading a post by a guy who worked for MBUSA who claimed the AMG badges were installed at the Port of Jacksonville and were indeed sold off dealer's lots with the AMG badge. I believe this was done at the dealers request on cars that were pre-ordered. This was before the CLK55 (m112) came out in 2001 and AMGS offerings were limited to the E55 and the C36/C43 (Which was made before MB even acquired AMG). In the CLK430s defense the car did come with the wheels and the body kit offically marketed as the sport package. HOwever if you were to enter the VIN in AMGPL, you will not gain access bc officially Mercedes Benz never sold a CLK430.
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I think this thread is irrelevant now, Mercedes put these badges themselves. I went to MB headquarters in my city and they had an ML350 AMG, it was a brand new car.
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The following excerpt discusses the new C450 in a recent article titled "Mercedes-Benz C450 AMG won’t dilute AMG brand":
Asked by CarAdvice if those ‘lesser’ AMG models will hurt the AMG brand, Mercedes-Benz Australia public relations senior manager David McCarthy said he didn’t believe so.
“I don’t think it will, we very clearly say it’s an AMG sport, but it’s not an AMG,” McCarthy told CarAdvice.
When asked why it should wear an AMG badge if it’s not an AMG, McCarthy said, “because it’s developed by AMG.”
The confusion is better clarified now that Mercedes-Benz and Mercedes-AMG are different brands — the Mercedes-Benz C450 AMG sitting below its more potent brother, the Mercedes-AMG C63 AMG S.
“Every brand is different. I think the AMG brand has not only enough respect, but you won’t see that badge going on a car that is not worthy of it. Tobias [Moers, the head of AMG in Germany] has a view on it and he believes it’s the right view.”
The full article can be read here:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/367814/m...ute-amg-brand/
Also the following link has a straightforward explanation of the new Mercedes-Benz AMG Sports brand compared to the established but freshly defined Mercedes-AMG division.
http://www.thenational.ae/arts-lifes...-future-of-amg
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A long time ago there was a discussion about the 1998 CLK 430. Long story short there were just too many CLK430s running around with AMG badges placed as you have seen above. So one could assume there cant be that many posers. A quick google search will reveal this has been discussed many many times on many different forums.
I remember reading a post by a guy who worked for MBUSA who claimed the AMG badges were installed at the Port of Jacksonville and were indeed sold off dealer's lots with the AMG badge. I believe this was done at the dealers request on cars that were pre-ordered. This was before the CLK55 (m112) came out in 2001 and AMGS offerings were limited to the E55 and the C36/C43 (Which was made before MB even acquired AMG). In the CLK430s defense the car did come with the wheels and the body kit offically marketed as the sport package. HOwever if you were to enter the VIN in AMGPL, you will not gain access bc officially Mercedes Benz never sold a CLK430.
I remember reading a post by a guy who worked for MBUSA who claimed the AMG badges were installed at the Port of Jacksonville and were indeed sold off dealer's lots with the AMG badge. I believe this was done at the dealers request on cars that were pre-ordered. This was before the CLK55 (m112) came out in 2001 and AMGS offerings were limited to the E55 and the C36/C43 (Which was made before MB even acquired AMG). In the CLK430s defense the car did come with the wheels and the body kit offically marketed as the sport package. HOwever if you were to enter the VIN in AMGPL, you will not gain access bc officially Mercedes Benz never sold a CLK430.
The plot thickens... time to whip out the tinfoil hat again...
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I'm just telling you what I saw at MB Sydney. There were not AMGs with AMG badges. I'm just telling you what I saw, not agreeing with the whole badge thing but they're doing it, they just are. I personally don't care, I like when I see an S320 AMG Black Series 4matic, it's hilarious.
By the way there was a car a few months ago at Autowerks Automotive that had a Stage 3 Weistec M156 engine in it.....believe or not it was a C250 with a swap. The owner didn't label it as C63 but still......the awkward moment when a C250 CGI destroys a brand new biturbo E63 :P Actually, I'll try to get some info on the car because I have the owners number.
By the way there was a car a few months ago at Autowerks Automotive that had a Stage 3 Weistec M156 engine in it.....believe or not it was a C250 with a swap. The owner didn't label it as C63 but still......the awkward moment when a C250 CGI destroys a brand new biturbo E63 :P Actually, I'll try to get some info on the car because I have the owners number.
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By the way there was a car a few months ago at Autowerks Automotive that had a Stage 3 Weistec M156 engine in it.....believe or not it was a C250 with a swap. The owner didn't label it as C63 but still......the awkward moment when a C250 CGI destroys a brand new biturbo E63 :P Actually, I'll try to get some info on the car because I have the owners number.
But in the end both of these types of modders would never consider slapping an AMG badge on thinking it will make them cooler lol.
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Yeah I've heard of that sort of thing. Guess it makes sense to buy the least expensive version of the chassis if you plan to rebuild everything on top. Or I've seen others who are just building outright show cars where the performance is absolutely not required and again all they want is a chassis to build their creation on.
But in the end both of these types of modders would never consider slapping an AMG badge on thinking it will make them cooler lol.
But in the end both of these types of modders would never consider slapping an AMG badge on thinking it will make them cooler lol.
If you're gonna get a fully forged weistec engine and supercharger that's been built by weistec, you know, with ported heads and head stud kit and their pulley kit and forged pistons and a built gearbox etc etc then what do you really have from the original, the core which you'll pay a huge sum over anyway. when you buy the c63 you're getting the factory diff and brakes and suspension but you're still paying a big price for them. So if you're looking for bought, get the c63, if looking for built, just start with the cheapest car you can find.
projects like those are annoying and frustrating though, it's not an easy undertaking and alot has to do with the sourcing of the things you want and the bringing together and whatever. I honestly wouldn't undertake something like that again, too much time waste but as you know, all these performance cars have that no matter what. it's the price one much pay for the joy and fun they can have after blood, sweat and tears. also, something like this is more worth it in aus where the price gap is huge between the models. in the US, it's not really worth it to be honest.
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Such an awesome thread. Thought the front page crowd would think so too...
https://mbworld.org/articles/fake-amg/
https://mbworld.org/articles/fake-amg/
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As a person relatively new to the MB brand, owner of a couple vehicles over a few years, and relatively entry level ones at that (09 CLK350, 14 C250) I think this thread is awesome.
I've driven more powerful MBs and I aspire to be an AMG owner. It takes hard work (which creates the dough) and appreciation for maintaining such a performance vehicle (combined with more dough).
I've driven more powerful MBs and I aspire to be an AMG owner. It takes hard work (which creates the dough) and appreciation for maintaining such a performance vehicle (combined with more dough).
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The new MB C250 with the sport package comes with AMG Floormats right from the factory.
Take a look..
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/merce.../#photo-852182
If this isn't posing i don't know what is. Mercedes itsels has no resorted to diluting its own brand name.
Now people will be tempted more than ever to pose esp when it comes that way from the factory.
Take a look..
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/merce.../#photo-852182
If this isn't posing i don't know what is. Mercedes itsels has no resorted to diluting its own brand name.
Now people will be tempted more than ever to pose esp when it comes that way from the factory.
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As a person relatively new to the MB brand, owner of a couple vehicles over a few years, and relatively entry level ones at that (09 CLK350, 14 C250) I think this thread is awesome.
I've driven more powerful MBs and I aspire to be an AMG owner. It takes hard work (which creates the dough) and appreciation for maintaining such a performance vehicle (combined with more dough).
I've driven more powerful MBs and I aspire to be an AMG owner. It takes hard work (which creates the dough) and appreciation for maintaining such a performance vehicle (combined with more dough).
Don't get me wrong, there are lemons, then there's the in between cars which have some issues but not lemons so it really depends on your due diligence and LUCK!! Honestly, you get lucky or you don't. It's a stretch to say they're expensive to maintain and own though, especially in the US, with cars and parts so cheap. Do yourself a favor if you can, buy a reasonably good written off car at the same time as the AMG you buy, in the same model of course. It will give you an inventory of parts you might need and it turns out WAY cheaper. Just part it, sell the parts you will obviously not need and you can just about make your money with them and then keep the stuff you may need. I can't even think of alot of things to go wrong with an E55 that's stock and well maintained.
These things are common:
1. IC pump
2. Airmatic, pump and struts (this is the big one)
3. SBC pump
4. Pretty rare on stock car, cylinder 8 fuel starvation.
That's honestly all I can think of off the top of my head. Don't be intimidated by "AMG", just do and buy one. It's just a car and if you want it then just have it. No need for all that "I must work hard and earn it". If you ever fail at something in life, reward yourself anyway
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
most people dont want a 6 to 12 year old car (03 e55 to 08 e63).... so saying AMG's are "cheap" is very subjective.... according to that logic i can say "porsche's" are cheap... because i can get a "porsche" for under 20K.... which one and how old and how many miles on it are a different story....
So im pretty sure the guy that is aspiring to get an AMG isnt talking about a 2008 E63 or 2003-2006 E55.... he's probably talking about a 2014- 2016 AMG and non of them come "cheap"
but yeah, porsche's are cheap in the same way amg's are
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I think you may have misinterpreted the reason of this thread. Play on.
Also, I said "old" because your signature says you sold it.
Also, I said "old" because your signature says you sold it.
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lol unless you are talking about 2008 or older AMG's then amg's are still not "cheap" to anyone that makes under 100K per year... and if your the kinda person that advocates buying a $30K car (2008 w211 e63) to a person that makes $52K (average usa wage), then you probably also advocate selling food stamps for beer and vodka.... even e55 is boarderline too expensive for someone making 52K when you factor in repair cost (i had over 20K in repairs on my over the years i owned it and i did a lot of the work myself, would of been way more at dealer)
most people dont want a 6 to 12 year old car (03 e55 to 08 e63).... so saying AMG's are "cheap" is very subjective.... according to that logic i can say "porsche's" are cheap... because i can get a "porsche" for under 20K.... which one and how old and how many miles on it are a different story....
So im pretty sure the guy that is aspiring to get an AMG isnt talking about a 2008 E63 or 2003-2006 E55.... he's probably talking about a 2014- 2016 AMG and non of them come "cheap"
but yeah, porsche's are cheap in the same way amg's are
most people dont want a 6 to 12 year old car (03 e55 to 08 e63).... so saying AMG's are "cheap" is very subjective.... according to that logic i can say "porsche's" are cheap... because i can get a "porsche" for under 20K.... which one and how old and how many miles on it are a different story....
So im pretty sure the guy that is aspiring to get an AMG isnt talking about a 2008 E63 or 2003-2006 E55.... he's probably talking about a 2014- 2016 AMG and non of them come "cheap"
but yeah, porsche's are cheap in the same way amg's are
Still, I maintain that ~18-23k is not alot of money, alot of new Chevrolets and Toyotas cost that and I know that they come with warranty and free servicing and care but it's still not a boat load of cash. It CAN get expensive, all you can do is pray it won't, that and inspecting and checking the car out properly but that's no guarantee. There's one car I saw near me a while back, an E55, with 200,000 miles on it, not KM, MILES It ran like a dream and the owner had a 12.03 run from a week before. He said the only things he had go wrong were the valve cover gaskets, the SC pulley bearing, the IC pump and SBC pump. That's in the 8 years he's owned it and he drives it everyday. Luck is a hell of a thing isn't it The guy I mentioned with the box of lemons above, his car had ~60k miles on it and it was 1 owner before him so you just never know.
By the way I'm not dissing the E55, I'm simply saying that aspiring is a word I would reserve for a Ferrari or Lambo.
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
if that's not a lot of money then why are there protest in the streets to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr (31K per yr)
keep in mind that an AMG that cost 18k-23K is going to be more than 6yrs old with most likely more than 70K miles on it, meaning you are not going to be able to get a loan on it, so you are going to have to pay CASH...
now most of those people aspiring to make $15/hr are not going to have 18k-23K in cash in their bank account..
who has 18K-23K in their bank accts? ..... most likely people that make 75K or more per year..... that's only 1/3 people in USA, so about 33% of the USA population can realistically own "afford" an AMG and that's a older used one...
if you want a newer used AMG, say a 2014 E63 then you are looking at about 75K cost which is about $1675 per month.... if you studied finance you would know that your should not go above 20% of you monthly income on car payment.... so to be at that you would need to make about 101K per year.... in usa only 1/4 people make that so 25% can afford a newer but still used AMG
so based on USA wages most likely only about 25% to 33% can really afford AMG's.... so I wouldnt say they are cheap if 66% to 75% cant afford them.....
Something is "cheap" when about 90% of the population can afford them
keep in mind that an AMG that cost 18k-23K is going to be more than 6yrs old with most likely more than 70K miles on it, meaning you are not going to be able to get a loan on it, so you are going to have to pay CASH...
now most of those people aspiring to make $15/hr are not going to have 18k-23K in cash in their bank account..
who has 18K-23K in their bank accts? ..... most likely people that make 75K or more per year..... that's only 1/3 people in USA, so about 33% of the USA population can realistically own "afford" an AMG and that's a older used one...
if you want a newer used AMG, say a 2014 E63 then you are looking at about 75K cost which is about $1675 per month.... if you studied finance you would know that your should not go above 20% of you monthly income on car payment.... so to be at that you would need to make about 101K per year.... in usa only 1/4 people make that so 25% can afford a newer but still used AMG
so based on USA wages most likely only about 25% to 33% can really afford AMG's.... so I wouldnt say they are cheap if 66% to 75% cant afford them.....
Something is "cheap" when about 90% of the population can afford them