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2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by kenneyd
This is bull crap
Why? Less than 3 cents per day for the ability to edit. I got crap for complaining that a new key fob and key was more than $600 when my car was over $100,000 new.
Why? Less than 3 cents per day for the ability to edit. I got crap for complaining that a new key fob and key was more than $600 when my car was over $100,000 new.
I've been here a decade, and editing was free. You want to charge for lesss ads or whatever, that's fine but of all things to make it charge for is editing typos? Lol
My opinion The forum structure is dying compared to Facebook groups. However I definitely prefer the forum format. If I owned a forum, it make money from advertising of course. The more people there the more money you make, charging people just discourages people from joining in my opinion. Population here will slowly dwindle in my opinion
A lot of people have lost the ability to edit. You need to get a paid membership ($4.99/six months). I have a paid membership and have full edit functions.
EDIT
thanks for this info
i get it - costs money to run a forum.
Last edited by PeterUbers; 04-10-2024 at 10:54 PM.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by kenneyd
I've been here a decade, and editing was free. You want to charge for lesss ads or whatever, that's fine but of all things to make it charge for is editing typos? Lol
My opinion The forum structure is dying compared to Facebook groups. However I definitely prefer the forum format. If I owned a forum, it make money from advertising of course. The more people there the more money you make, charging people just discourages people from joining in my opinion. Population here will slowly dwindle in my opinion
I don't know if the membership fee is only to let you edit. I just noticed that I did join and could edit. It could be entirely coincidental. I will say that any change could have been better communicated.
The way I look at it is the value I get from this forum is well worth the $10 a year. I don't mind paying for value and I have no problem with their offering a membership that gives added benefits. MBWorld+ also claims "Gain a total of 10 keywords to receive alerts when anyone is discussing your topics of choice anywhere in the forum. Plus an increased PM box." I pay more than that for stupid Disney channel woke crap because occasionally there will be something on it that my wife wants to watch.
I guess those that don't want to join will just have to proof-read their stuff a little better before posting. Me? I type too fast and need to be able to correct my errors.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
We all should quit referring to FCP and start enjoying PelicanParts and the likes.
You're right, Cali. FCP is not the only game in town, but I do think they were first to offer a Lifetime Replacement Policy. I do like Pelican, AutohausAZ, EEuroparts, RMEuropean, and the like. Being on the East Coast, FCP gets stuff to me quicker. Plus, I really like having to buy the crazy expensive Magic Vision wiper blades only once.
I don't know if the membership fee is only to let you edit. I just noticed that I did join and could edit. It could be entirely coincidental. I will say that any change could have been better communicated.
This happened within the life span of this thread. I went back and edited my original post to add a lot of helpful things for newcomers. With this new rule, I wouldn't have been able to do that without a subscription. This really seems like BS and a step too far, to the detriment of the community. Like others have said, want to pay for fewer adds and more PMs or something? Ok, fine. The inability to edit hurts everyone.
I don't think it's that expensive to run a forum. I say that from experience.
You're right, Cali. FCP is not the only game in town, but I do think they were first to offer a Lifetime Replacement Policy. I do like Pelican, AutohausAZ, EEuroparts, RMEuropean, and the like. Being on the East Coast, FCP gets stuff to me quicker. Plus, I really like having to buy the crazy expensive Magic Vision wiper blades only once.
The problem is, for actual OEM Mercedes parts, my local dealer (via their web store) is always cheaper than FCP for the same part. I have never used the warranty on anything.
The approved list (229.5 spec) is for fuel economy and extreme oil change interval purposes. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE - and whatever the Euro spec is called) is the reasoning behind such a stringent specification. An oil that can provide a very good antiwear and detergent package while preventing low rpm pre-ignition is where it's at.
I like this much better.... from MOTULS 8100 Power 5w50 synthetic - Ester:
"STANDARDS API PERFORMANCE SP
PERFORMANCES FORD WSS-M2C931-D
ESTER Technology: 100% Synthetic formula derived from competition and based on Ester ensuring outstanding oil film
resistance at very high temperatures for maximum engine power and torque, as well as maximum wear protection. Stable
oil pressure whatever the conditions of use, road or racing.
Turbocharged gasoline engines with direct injection have a certain risk of sporadic pre-ignition phenomena in the combustion chambers. This type of sporadic abnormal combustion resembles metallic noise from combustion chambers and is sometimes associated with a short power loss. This phenomenon called LSPI for Low Speed Pre-Ignition, or also Rumble, generates very high pressure peaks in the combustion chamber that can lead to piston damages and ultimately to engine destruction.
For their latest-generation downsized gasoline engines, which are equipped with direct injection systems and turbochargers, API has developed the API SP standard for engine lubricants in order to guarantee the perfect integrity of these gasoline engines facing the risk of these abnormal combustions.
The API SP standard is fully backward compatible over API SN requirements and all former API standards. API SP lubricants provide outstanding oxidation resistance, better anti-deposits protection, better engine cleanliness, anti-wear protection and enhanced performance at cold temperature for Fuel Economy savings during the whole oil life span.
Besides being backward compatible, compare to API SN and API SN Plus, the API SP standard provides higher performance and especially adds more protection against LSPI phenomenon for downsized direct injection turbocharged gasoline
engines.
MOTUL 8100 POWER 5W-50 meets all these very highly demanding requirements of performance and durability, including in particular for API SP standard, the full compatibility to biofuels use such as LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas), CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), and Bioethanol (as available at the station), when using Ethanol Biofuel at a mix ratio of up to 85% (Bioethanol – E85).
The FORD WSS-M2C931-D specification requires the lubricant to be both API SN Plus and 5W-50 in order to perfectly lubricate certain high-performance FORD Gasoline engines such as Focus RS 2.3 EcoBoost AWD and Ford GT produced from 2016, and Mustang GT350, GT350R from 2018.
FORD WSS-M2C931-D specification also covers previous versions, i.e. FORD WSS-M2C931-C and 931-B recommended for the Ford Mustang GT V8 5.0L, Boss 302 V8 5.0L, Mustang GT350 from 2015 and Shelby GT500 from 2006; and FORD WSS-M2C931-A recommended for the Ford GT V8 5.4L from 2004-2006.
MOTUL 8100 POWER 5W-50 allows excellent oil flow into the engine and is particularly resistant to high temperatures to allow better control of oil consumption and provide higher wear protection. Its optimized high viscosity grade SAE 5W-50 brings maximum reliability to your engine and high protection against fuel dilution."
You're not going to find the above in any 229.5 spec oil.
The oil combined with the two-stage oiling mechanism is what wastes these engine.
Respectfully, TZ
I have to say the more I look at this Motul 8100 5W-50 the more I am tempted to give it a shot. It has a better pour point than MolyGen 5W-40 despite being a 5W-50. This blurb also caught my eye:
Better control of oil consumption, Increased engine response and fuel economy, Particularly resistant to high temperatures, Sharper engine revs and faster engine warm-up, Faster oil flow at start up and oil pressure build-up, Higher wear protection
It's ester-based so it might even prevent some of the inconvenient (and fatal) seal leaks.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by kevm14
This happened within the life span of this thread. I went back and edited my original post to add a lot of helpful things for newcomers. With this new rule, I wouldn't have been able to do that without a subscription. This really seems like BS and a step too far, to the detriment of the community. Like others have said, want to pay for fewer adds and more PMs or something? Ok, fine. The inability to edit hurts everyone.
I don't think it's that expensive to run a forum. I say that from experience.
I have no idea if it's a new rule or just a bug; I'm only reporting my observations. I don't think it's right to make the change, if it was intentional, without communicating that to the members. So, it may very well be unintentional.
And I doubt the fee is going to buy anyone a yacht or anything. I do believe it may be an effective way to cull away non-participating members and clean up the membership database. I've seen several members that have been around for YEARS, if not decades, with maybe a dozen posts, most of which want something instead of giving something.
I really think anyone who feels strongly about this should contact one of the moderators. But wait! I have done it for everyone. You may want to also provide feedback.
And I doubt the fee is going to buy anyone a yacht or anything. I do believe it may be an effective way to cull away non-participating members and clean up the membership database. I've seen several members that have been around for YEARS, if not decades, with maybe a dozen posts, most of which want something instead of giving something.
I'm very much a free market capitalist but I've been participating in forums since the 90s. Their spirit, if not actual administration, was very much for the people, by the people. When a forum is expected to pay the salaries and overhead of an actual corporation, this is what we get. Of course, the free market is answer is if we don't like it, offer a similar or better product at a lower price and people would flock to it. I did find that list to be a little....monopolistic. But I digress. Off topic in an already off-topic thread. It's just partially ON topic because I can no longer edit my original post.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Let's see what I hear back. It really could be a bug in the software.
I know it must be a matter of principle that people are upset with this, if it was intentional. $4.99 every six months is hardly going to break the bank for anyone, though it is a gallon of gas. Still, it should have been communicated better if it was intentional. I just happened to have joined last december because I was running out of message quota. Plus, I don't mind paying for value.
Was edit always available on this forum? I do remember one website were editing wasn't available at all, though I don't remember which site that was.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
Originally Posted by kevm14
Allowing editing doesn't cost money. I pay for real value, not phony value.
I concur. But what is the ability to edit worth to you? I think it is wrong to take away something I had without warning, but for 2.7342465753425 cents per day, it's not worth to me the emotional cost to get upset over it.
I am much more upset with spending almost $700 to replace a lost key fob and key blade. Is $120 for a cut key blade really reasonable by anyone's definition. I'd say no, but what choice do you have? On the SL, I need to be able to open the trunk manually when the car thinks the roof isn't fully closed and the trunk partition is open. So, I pay the $700 and have a spare key, and make damned well certain not to be careless and lose it again.
This happened within the life span of this thread. I went back and edited my original post to add a lot of helpful things for newcomers. With this new rule, I wouldn't have been able to do that without a subscription. This really seems like BS and a step too far, to the detriment of the community. Like others have said, want to pay for fewer adds and more PMs or something? Ok, fine. The inability to edit hurts everyone.
I don't think it's that expensive to run a forum. I say that from experience.
I've been editing the sticky for years - and the feedback I'm getting is that it's useful and helps direct some of those "asking for things without giving anything" new one or two post members from creating new threads and muddying the waters for diehards in this forum. Also it's a consolidation of all of you guys over the years to share knowledge. It's the mbworld-gpt-1.0 lol
now I'm just adding new posts to keep it updated but it's harder to peruse
I concur. But what is the ability to edit worth to you? I think it is wrong to take away something I had without warning, but for 2.7342465753425 cents per day, it's not worth to me the emotional cost to get upset over it.
I am much more upset with spending almost $700 to replace a lost key fob and key blade. Is $120 for a cut key blade really reasonable by anyone's definition. I'd say no, but what choice do you have? On the SL, I need to be able to open the trunk manually when the car thinks the roof isn't fully closed and the trunk partition is open. So, I pay the $700 and have a spare key, and make damned well certain not to be careless and lose it again.
I'm not sure anyone is upset about anything with an emotional cost - they are seemingly having a discussion about fairness and it seems worthwhile. You give a little in a thousand places in life and then you've lost a lot. Keep the conversation going yeah? Or what do you think - shut down the convo and just pay the money?
Edit: re read your post and you stated YOU would not get emotional or upset about it. I see you understand both sides.
i am not either - just having a discussion about fairness. Glad I had this edit to adjust my answer to be more equitable with my response.
Last edited by PeterUbers; 04-11-2024 at 08:51 AM.
2015 SL400 (M276 Turbo), 2014 C350 Sport (M276 NA), 2004 SL500 (M113), 2004 Audi TT225 (BEA)
@PeterUbers right! I have more important things in life to worry about. But I do think the change should have been announced. If not for my posting about the MBWorld+ membership, people would still be wondering why they can't edit anymore. I'm not taking sides, just sharing what I observed and pointing out the true cost of using an otherwise free (and invaluable) knowledge base. And, again, until we hear definitively that this was intentional, we should either be patient and see what happens, or reach out to @Rock or other moderator and ask for clarification. I'm not a software developer, but in my lifetime I managed software projects. You test and test and test, and still, bugs find their way into the final release.
Let's see what I hear back. It really could be a bug in the software.
I know it must be a matter of principle that people are upset with this, if it was intentional. $4.99 every six months is hardly going to break the bank for anyone, though it is a gallon of gas. Still, it should have been communicated better if it was intentional. I just happened to have joined last december because I was running out of message quota. Plus, I don't mind paying for value.
Was edit always available on this forum? I do remember one website were editing wasn't available at all, though I don't remember which site that was.
you're absolutely right - we don't have all the facts, patience and then make a final determination once we know what happened and if it can be easily fixed without cost.
I concur. But what is the ability to edit worth to you? I think it is wrong to take away something I had without warning, but for 2.7342465753425 cents per day, it's not worth to me the emotional cost to get upset over it.
I think we all agree 4.99 is not much for one forum.... Sure
But I literally subscribe to over 3 dozens forums. The vast majority are free, and the ones that charge a nominal fee get you things like access to classifieds and private groups etc ... But here we charge people to fix their typos? Lol
This change will degrade this forum... Not sure who all the parent companies own... But if they all started doing this, that's ~39forums x $5 ...every 6mo? That's not nominal fee
There are 504,244 members of MBWorld at this time. If 5% of them subscribe, that is $251,618 per year in gross revenue, on top of ad revenue which is not zero. If 25% subscribed, that's $1.258M gross revenue. I don't know what the hosting fees are and someone has to manage the forum software itself (very much a part time job) but I don't believe it costs anywhere near $100k/yr all in. Likely much, MUCH less. Are the admins even paid?? Moderators aren't, I am sure.
There are 504,244 members of MBWorld at this time. If 5% of them subscribe, that is $251,618 per year in gross revenue, on top of ad revenue which is not zero. If 25% subscribed, that's $1.258M gross revenue. I don't know what the hosting fees are and someone has to manage the forum software itself (very much a part time job) but I don't believe it costs anywhere near $100k/yr all in. Likely much, MUCH less. Are the admins even paid?? Moderators aren't, I am sure.
Valid points on both sides of the argument here, but maybe those inclined start a separate thread and have this conversation there?
Only mentioning in the interest of keeping what’s been the best thread to date, on topic.
PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
Originally Posted by sirrom223
Valid points on both sides of the argument here, but maybe those inclined start a separate thread and have this conversation there?
Only mentioning in the interest of keeping what’s been the best thread to date, on topic.
Agree with this being one of the best threads to date.
I sincerely again thank all those who contributed to this awesome project, placing time and effort in the research, testing and experimenting on this. You all are what makes a forum great!
Especially thank you to forum members (order of the names does not matter) S-Prihadi, CaliBenzDriver, JettaRed, kevm14, et. all. Sorry if I missed one of your names, I have bad memory, I want to wholeheartedly say thank you.
I also thoroughly enjoyed all the valuable time forum member CaliBenzDriver spent and detailed replies for every single question each forum member asked in this thread.
I am planning to do this mod very soon on an M276 DELA 30 engine and this is way overdue for me as I scheduled to have it done last year when this mod was first discussed on the forums but never found the time to do so. I am still behind and trying to catch up with the thread and currently at page 20 of 60. I entertained the idea of doing it from the top but I think the consensus is to do it from the bottom. Even in a V6. Perhaps having an inline 4 might make it possible to do it from the top.
Once again, thank you everyone who put their time and dedication to this project! The world is much better with you guys here!
PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
I want to also mention that I think all of those I mentioned (again sorry if I forgot someone) who contributed to this project actually might be helping the environment unlike the EV stuff MB is doing.
I mean, think about it, longer engine service life, more cars running on the road, less waste as well (less or not as often failing engines) as being able to appreciate the fine machinery for many generations to come due to the potential of prolonged service life these vehicles will benefit from unplugging the oil pump solenoid, before MB started all this cost cutting stuff with the newer cars.
On a side note, less lag on the throttle and less transmission weird shifting behaviour results in happy owner and a happy owner will have a better mental health and better mental health is always a good thing : ) Less car accidents on the road, now if only every MB owner did this mod : )
Last edited by W205C43PFL; 04-11-2024 at 04:58 PM.
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