My 2022 Build

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Sep 12, 2021 | 09:21 AM
  #476  
Quote: At this point beggars can't be choosers with the E63, so if you like the spec (even if it's not perfect) then go for it. For me, it's the search for an E28 M5. I want one with a factory black interior, but the chances of me finding a 30+ year old US-spec model they only made 30 of are all but nil. I'll take what I can get at this point. Same with my E63, AMG hasn't revealed anything that would get me out of my 2018 (like a 800+hp hybrid powertrain from the new GT63 E Performance) so I just bought an ELW that will last me another 75k miles or May 2025, whichever comes first. It's the best all around car I've ever owned and it will take something special to displace it.

A possibility that is becoming increasingly likely is that any unsold 2021 E63s out there are the last W213 E63s that will be made. Mercedes is cutting production due to supply constraints on chips and parts that require chips. They're focusing on base and volume models that require somewhere between one-half and one-third of the chips needed for top spec cars. Intel, TSMC, and Samsung are all warning that chip supply likely won't meet demand until sometime in 2023. If Mercedes were to start making 2023 AMGs then, there'd only be a couple of months of production before the W214 started and they'll probably just want to go ahead and get the factory retooling done and everything ready for the next-gen E-Class. I may end up being wrong but there's a VERY good chance the AMG W/S213 has/is about to end production for good.
Speaking of E28 M5, there was one on BAT recently and it had this ultra rare Black interior.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bmw-m5-85/

As for prioritizing base and volume models over the top of the line and top AMG cars it really does not make sense as the latter have huge profit margins, where one S63 is more profitable then five GLA 250s.
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Sep 12, 2021 | 09:28 AM
  #477  
Beautiful. Back when M cars were more special.
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Sep 12, 2021 | 09:30 AM
  #478  
Somehow looks better to my eyes with these center caps. Less plastic chrome the better.
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Sep 12, 2021 | 11:17 AM
  #479  
Quote: Somehow looks better to my eyes with these center caps. Less plastic chrome the better.
How about this one?

https://www.mbusa.com/en/accessories...00040009009283




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Sep 12, 2021 | 11:26 AM
  #480  
Quote: Somehow looks better to my eyes with these center caps. Less plastic chrome the better.
Looks good but AMG models' wheels with just the star and not "Mercedes-Benz" lettering looks the best in my opinion.
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Sep 12, 2021 | 11:29 AM
  #481  
Quote: How about this one?

https://www.mbusa.com/en/accessories...00040009009283
Looks good thanks for sharing
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Sep 12, 2021 | 01:40 PM
  #482  
Quote: As for prioritizing base and volume models over the top of the line and top AMG cars it really does not make sense as the latter have huge profit margins, where one S63 is more profitable then five GLA 250s.
...if they sold the same number of S63s at GLA250s, that would be true. But the margin doesn't offset the volume. They've done the math, it's why they didn't cancel every E350 and 450 to prioritize E63 builds. They sell enough of those at a fast enough pace to offset the increased margins of the E63. The potential pool of E350 and E450 buyers is also much larger than the market for E63s.
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Sep 13, 2021 | 06:53 PM
  #483  
^ I mentioned this in another thread on the subject, but my guess is that once it was realized volume would need to be decreased due to the chip shortage, V8 production was suspended abruptly to avoid US certification costs for MY2022, hence why MY2021 AMG models have continued to be produced past the usual mid-year model year changeover (and why 2021 G-wagens will be built through the end of the year).

As such, I expect we will see the suspended V8 models, as well as new ones (SL, G-squared, etc.), for MY2023...maybe as early as spring. The chip situation will continue to improve over the next 1-2 years until supply fully catches up with demand.

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Sep 13, 2021 | 09:25 PM
  #484  
Quote: ...if they sold the same number of S63s at GLA250s, that would be true. But the margin doesn't offset the volume. They've done the math, it's why they didn't cancel every E350 and 450 to prioritize E63 builds. They sell enough of those at a fast enough pace to offset the increased margins of the E63. The potential pool of E350 and E450 buyers is also much larger than the market for E63s.
This rather supports my point of view:

https://www.motor1.com/news/532591/m...p-prices-high/
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Sep 17, 2021 | 10:59 AM
  #485  
Mercedes's trolling some of us.
This is the MBUSA landing page this morning. Troll level: 100
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Sep 17, 2021 | 11:19 AM
  #486  
*******s
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Sep 17, 2021 | 11:32 AM
  #487  
I agree with you 100% I purchased a Rolex Sub" Kermit" in 2007 for $5000 it's worth $19,000 now. Don't sell your Rolex collection they are always in demand.
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Sep 17, 2021 | 11:37 AM
  #488  
^^^IDK don't wear them anymore and they're way overvalued. Also, they're a headache to store. Still under consideration.
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Sep 17, 2021 | 11:45 AM
  #489  
I only have one but have others IWC, Hubolt, Omega.. I will pass the Rolex on to my nephew.
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Sep 17, 2021 | 01:06 PM
  #490  
Quote: This rather supports my point of view:

https://www.motor1.com/news/532591/m...p-prices-high/
Ok, so you’re saying they cancelled all the high end models (besides the just released s-class they can’t stop making due to optics) and converted them to volume sellers because they want to…lose money?

I interpreted the article as they are going to be offering fewer incentives and keeping prices high on the volume models because the demand is there. Increasing the margins on fast selling models is easy money.
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Sep 17, 2021 | 03:35 PM
  #491  
Quote: This is the MBUSA landing page this morning. Troll level: 100
That's just MEAN.
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Sep 17, 2021 | 05:13 PM
  #492  
Quote: That's just MEAN.
we don’t know
maybe m4 screws are in short supply?
or something else critical
another supplier in germany is out of biz?
last time I was in Affalterbach story was they get the parts from local suppliers
so must be a major supply chain disruption - maybe there is no steel in Germany any more?
lol
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Sep 18, 2021 | 02:50 AM
  #493  
Quote: Looks good but AMG models' wheels with just the star and not "Mercedes-Benz" lettering looks the best in my opinion.
I personally think all 63s models should have this one standard.




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Sep 18, 2021 | 07:30 AM
  #494  
^^^Absolutely.
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Sep 18, 2021 | 09:06 AM
  #495  
Quote: Ok, so you’re saying they cancelled all the high end models (besides the just released s-class they can’t stop making due to optics) and converted them to volume sellers because they want to…lose money?

I interpreted the article as they are going to be offering fewer incentives and keeping prices high on the volume models because the demand is there. Increasing the margins on fast selling models is easy money.
More complicated then that.
They just realized that chasing volume is not always in their best interests, it lowers their image and concentrating on high line cars provides better profit margins and lowers the expenses (labor, infrastructure, etc.).
2022 "moratorium is less radical then we thought, high line AMGs are still coming, they just want to hybridize them all.
S580 has no restrictions and S/SLGT63e are coming too.
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Sep 18, 2021 | 12:14 PM
  #496  
It's indisputable that the M5 CS drives better than the E63S AMG Wagon. It's also unanimous that my entire family (including me) likes the wagon more.
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Sep 18, 2021 | 02:12 PM
  #497  
Quote: It's indisputable that the M5 CS drives better than the E63S AMG Wagon. It's also unanimous that my entire family (including me) likes the wagon more.
So, you're in the new wagon?
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Sep 18, 2021 | 02:19 PM
  #498  
Quote: So, you're in the new wagon?
I didn't realize ocd had found one that met his criteria. ocd did you cave on some of the options or is this just comparing the CS to your old wagon?
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Sep 18, 2021 | 02:48 PM
  #499  
^^^I didn't find one. Settled for one without a few key options including ceramics, dinamica headliner and rear seat airbag, but otherwise a perfect spec.
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Sep 18, 2021 | 03:11 PM
  #500  
Quote: ^^^I didn't find one. Settled for one without a few key options including ceramics, dinamica headliner and rear seat airbag, but otherwise a perfect spec.
I did something similar. Weirdly, the rear seat airbags seem to be even rarer than the CCBs. Car supposedly arriving later today--I think I'll be a happy camper once the PPF is on and I am comfortable driving it, even if it isn't the exact spec I had submitted for my '22.
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