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2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by ocdbroker
Reached out to MB Seattle as it appeared they had a non-Final Edition for sale. Turns out it is indeed a FE. Here's their reply to my inquiry. 😂
"The market adjustment is 100k over the MSRP which is 177k. I can tell you that we are willing to work to make a deal but you give me a counter and I can see if my manager is willing to entertain."
Reached out to MB Seattle as it appeared they had a non-Final Edition for sale. Turns out it is indeed a FE. Here's their reply to my inquiry. 😂
"The market adjustment is 100k over the MSRP which is 177k. I can tell you that we are willing to work to make a deal but you give me a counter and I can see if my manager is willing to entertain."
Reached out to MB Seattle as it appeared they had a non-Final Edition for sale. Turns out it is indeed a FE. Here's their reply to my inquiry. 😂
"The market adjustment is 100k over the MSRP which is 177k. I can tell you that we are willing to work to make a deal but you give me a counter and I can see if my manager is willing to entertain."
My problem is I'm getting older and more frugal by the hour. As I get older and wiser (cheaper), I feel more uncomfortable with the thought of daily driving a high-maintenance $150k car. Spoiled with Porsche not losing much money even at much higher price points. To be honest, I'm getting tired of the Porsche thing too though. Way to go with these, obviously, is finding a clean, unbeaten, low-mileage 2018 or 2019 at close to half price.
Reached out to MB Seattle as it appeared they had a non-Final Edition for sale. Turns out it is indeed a FE. Here's their reply to my inquiry. 😂
"The market adjustment is 100k over the MSRP which is 177k. I can tell you that we are willing to work to make a deal but you give me a counter and I can see if my manager is willing to entertain."
Reached out to MB Seattle as it appeared they had a non-Final Edition for sale. Turns out it is indeed a FE. Here's their reply to my inquiry. 😂
"The market adjustment is 100k over the MSRP which is 177k. I can tell you that we are willing to work to make a deal but you give me a counter and I can see if my manager is willing to entertain."
I love MBs new business model; **** off then alienate all your customers and then stop making cars they want. It's so crazy it just might work!
Hey Mercedes; manufactured scarcity only works if you're still manufacturing the thing everybody's trying to buy.
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by TR3B
I love MBs new business model; **** off then alienate all your customers and then stop making cars they want. It's so crazy it just might work!
Hey Mercedes; manufactured scarcity only works if you're still manufacturing the thing everybody's trying to buy.
Mercedes is manufacturing thousands of vehicles a day of which the E63S production is lost in the noise level. If this was custom fab only, then your points are well taken. However, I'm certain that the real value of the AMG lines are for a halo effect on the other ones.
Mercedes is manufacturing thousands of vehicles a day of which the E63S production is lost in the noise level. If this was custom fab only, then your points are well taken. However, I'm certain that the real value of the AMG lines are for a halo effect on the other ones.
I would say 2 things to that;
1. Have you ever taken an E63 Wagon to car show? It generates a TON of goodwill towards the brand. People love that car even if they aren't a buyer. Those cars in the industry are considered flagships and a draw. Personally that's the car that made me a Mercedes guy. It's the car that showed me the company had a sense of humor and knew how to build fun cars. I have 3 MB wagons and an S650 Maybach now because of the E63 wagon.
2. If they're custom fab only, why not continue to make them? Raise the price if they want but the R&D and tool and die making are done. A majority of the parts are off the shelf. The engine is still being produced. They're not making enough of them to effect their CAFE rating. Killing the V8 wagon is, was and will forever be a bad idea. Worse yet, I'm told they're not even killing it for a good reason beyond politics which I consider an unforgivable sin.
Not being able to order one this year has put me off to the brand. I'm looking to buy another car and right now I'm so irked by MB over this I'm shopping for everything BUT a Merc.
My sole connection/attraction to the Mercedes brand is to the cool wagons. Sadly we don't get C-class in the states. And I have no love for the all-road 'we need to be more SUV-like to attract Americans' version. If they manage to ruin the AMG wagons they'll lose a customer. But my type represents a tiny minority so they probably won't care.
Last edited by ocdbroker; Aug 26, 2023 at 09:44 AM.
1. Have you ever taken an E63 Wagon to car show? It generates a TON of goodwill towards the brand. People love that car even if they aren't a buyer. Those cars in the industry are considered flagships and a draw. Personally that's the car that made me a Mercedes guy. It's the car that showed me the company had a sense of humor and knew how to build fun cars. I have 3 MB wagons and an S650 Maybach now because of the E63 wagon.
2. If they're custom fab only, why not continue to make them? Raise the price if they want but the R&D and tool and die making are done. A majority of the parts are off the shelf. The engine is still being produced. They're not making enough of them to effect their CAFE rating. Killing the V8 wagon is, was and will forever be a bad idea. Worse yet, I'm told they're not even killing it for a good reason beyond politics which I consider an unforgivable sin.
Not being able to order one this year has put me off to the brand. I'm looking to buy another car and right now I'm so irked by MB over this I'm shopping for everything BUT a Merc.
First link: "Mercedes says that, in the U.S., the E-class-wagon owner has among the highest average household income of all its customers, rivaled only by that of G-wagen buyers. "
Second link: "What are the demographics of the E-Class wagon buyer? It's definitely one of our wealthiest demographics. Compared to the E-Class sedan, which is about $200,000 median household income, the E-Class wagon is about $375,000. Some of these buyers grew up in an E-Class wagon and feel nostalgic. They value it for their children, wanting their kids to be in the same car that they were in."
My sole connection/attraction to the Mercedes brand is to the cool wagons. Sadly we don't get C-class in the states. And I have no love for the all-road 'we need to be more SUV-like to attract Americans' version. If they manage to ruin the AMG wagons they'll lose a customer. But my type represents a tiny minority so they probably won't care.
Ya but I guess if that was the only option then we could perhaps buy it and then remove the all-terrain pieces and replace it with European non all-terrain spec pieces but lets just hope they bring back regular wagons. You know, the true wagons.
First link: "Mercedes says that, in the U.S., the E-class-wagon owner has among the highest average household income of all its customers, rivaled only by that of G-wagen buyers. "
Second link: "What are the demographics of the E-Class wagon buyer? It's definitely one of our wealthiest demographics. Compared to the E-Class sedan, which is about $200,000 median household income, the E-Class wagon is about $375,000. Some of these buyers grew up in an E-Class wagon and feel nostalgic. They value it for their children, wanting their kids to be in the same car that they were in."
If that's true, those are exactly the customers MB should want to alienate, right?
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by TR3B
If that's true, those are exactly the customers MB should want to alienate, right?
Wow! MBUSA is deciding what is to be brought to market to maximize earnings. The vast majority of US buyers want SUV's, not wagons! Get over it. How many wagons were sold in the US last year vs SUV's? MBUSA is in the business to sell the products that will move off the showroom floors. I bought my E63S wagon because I liked the design and the utility. I would have liked a C-class wagon for its smaller size, but not here in the US (Canada had that wagon, BTW). My next car is an EV (probably an AMG EQE SUV) and my E63S will go back to the dealer to be resold in 1 day for certain).
My next car is an EV (probably an AMG EQE SUV) a"nd my E63S will go back to the dealer to be resold in 1 day for certain).
LOL. That sounded just like; "I'm selling my big screen color TV for an 8 inch b&w set". No kidding your E63S will be sold in a day, unlike the EVs, people actually want them. I don't know a single person that switched to an EV and was happy with it. I also don't know a single EV owner that a) didn't have an ice backup and b) ever bought a second EV after they sold the first. They're miserable, soulless things that are akin to driving a coffin.
When you do decide to make the horrible, horrible decision to sell your E63S, send me a PM, I'm interested.
Originally Posted by HBerman
Wow! MBUSA is deciding what is to be brought to market to maximize earnings. The vast majority of US buyers want SUV's, not wagons! Get over it.).
And not be argumentative but that's like saying "The vast majority of US buyers want SUV's, not AMG GTs!". Personally I want an SUV about as much as I want cancer. Anyone buying an AMG wagon isn't taking away an SUV sale. That said, I'd take a wagon over a sedan any day of the week.
Not selling a wagon is also guaranteeing I don't buy any more Mercedes products.
Enjoy your lithium fire!
Last edited by TR3B; Aug 26, 2023 at 11:42 AM.
Reason: spelling and grammar
Agreed. That car looks like an $80K Subaru Outback. It's terrible.
I would buy the All Terrain but would keep the AMG Wagon. Almost bought a 2019 Buick TourX with its discounts in Athens, GA but the Wife desired a SUV to be higher off the ground. Have been a Subaru Fan since my 2002 WRX manual sedan. Not a fan of the CVT. Later leased a 2013 XV Crosstrek Manual when I last worked on the Missile Range for my Remote Location and off-road duty. Sadly can no longer get a manual transmission in the Crosstrek and they discontinued the WRX STI so will no longer purchase a brand new Subaru. I'm running out of cars that interest me after 2023...limited to the new GT63, W214, and maybe an Audi RS3.
Amen. The way it functions mechanically makes it sound and feel just like a regular automatic transmission that's slipping. Spent a day in one and it drove me nuts. I get it, but no way could I own one.
Originally Posted by Drone_S213
I'm running out of cars that interest me after 2023...limited to the new GT63, W214, and maybe an Audi RS3.
THIS. The kinds of cars that were interesting to me are all being taken off the table.
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by TR3B
LOL. That sounded just like; "I'm selling my big screen color TV for an 8 inch b&w set". No kidding your E63S will be sold in a day, unlike the EVs, people actually want them. I don't know a single person that switched to an EV and was happy with it. I also don't know a single EV owner that a) didn't have an ice backup and b) ever bought a second EV after they sold the first. They're miserable, soulless things that are akin to driving a coffin.
When you do decide to make the horrible, horrible decision to sell your E63S, send me a PM, I'm interested.
And not be argumentative but that's like saying "The vast majority of US buyers want SUV's, not AMG GTs!". Personally I want an SUV about as much as I want cancer. Anyone buying an AMG wagon isn't taking away an SUV sale. That said, I'd take a wagon over a sedan any day of the week.
Not selling a wagon is also guaranteeing I don't buy any more Mercedes products.
Enjoy your lithium fire!
Have you even looked at the AMG EQE SUV specs? Certainly not souless! More like trading an 55" LCD TV for a 85" min-LED one. I'm not going to keep my wagon past the 3 year lease termination. PM me if you want the name of the dealer where it will be turned in. I'm pretty certain that the resale price will be around $125,000. I've certainly enjoyed driving my car for the past 2 3/4 years, but it's time for me to move on.
Have you even looked at the AMG EQE SUV specs? Certainly not souless! More like trading an 55" LCD TV for a 85" min-LED one. I'm not going to keep my wagon past the 3 year lease termination. PM me if you want the name of the dealer where it will be turned in. I'm pretty certain that the resale price will be around $125,000. I've certainly enjoyed driving my car for the past 2 3/4 years, but it's time for me to move on.
Okay NOW I have some questions. You have a leased car that's not depreciated in the 3 years you've had it and you're going to give it back? The buyout can't possibly be more than it's worth. Why not sell it and take the huge W?
As for the AMG EQE SUV - you're going to get out of an awesome car you just drove for free for 3 years and into an expensive golf cart that's going to depreciate faster than a chick who just turned 30?
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by TR3B
Okay NOW I have some questions. You have a leased car that's not depreciated in the 3 years you've had it and you're going to give it back? The buyout can't possibly be more than it's worth. Why not sell it and take the huge W?
As for the AMG EQE SUV - you're going to get out of an awesome car you just drove for free for 3 years and into an expensive golf cart that's going to depreciate faster than a chick who just turned 30?
Obviously you don't understand lease termination residuals. The wagon has a residual of $77456. The dealer will take the car on trade and give me $34000 which is the net equity at lease end. The car was purchased for 136000 in 2021 so my total cost of ownership (exclusive of highway use tax) is about $24000 for 3 years. I haven't purchased a car for over 35 years because I don't like dealing with trade in values, etc. The new car has a $7500 rebate from the government to be applied against the capitalized amount. So, I turn the old wagon in and drive out with a cool ride. I understand that you don't agree and that's fine. Terminating this discussion.
Harris, you go for whatever is going to make you happy to drive everyday. I'd say $8k per year to drive your perfectly spec'd wagon is a very fair deal, particularly because we're talking trade-in values here. The hassle of selling is rarely worth the trouble. Although, auction sites like BaT certainly makes the process much more palatable.
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by ocdbroker
Harris, you go for whatever is going to make you happy to drive everyday. I'd say $8k per year to drive your perfectly spec'd wagon is a very fair deal, particularly because we're talking trade-in values here. The hassle of selling is rarely worth the trouble. Although, auction sites like BaT certainly makes the process much more palatable.
If you want the wagon in Dec, that would work. You know the dealer. I'll throw in my extra set of wheels as well.
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