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Old Jul 22, 2025 | 09:52 PM
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Here is the door module drain issue on the newer models:
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-membe...ml#post9118476
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-membe...ml#post9118472

Once this update is installed, no more trickle charger needed. Problem is, don't think it affects the W213.

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Now that it’s been “topped up” if I don’t charge it for a few days then throw it on the charger it only takes a couple hours to be topped up again, not a long time at all.
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The lowrider life has done its thing and worn the inside fronts to the cords.

Even with the Cete raising to stock at 90 kph the front tires are done.

57,000 kms with half on snows = 23,500 kms, that’s only 15k miles.

Oof!

Rears still look ok.

I stopped lowering to try and stretch these to fall. That’s a lot of tire $$ just to look a bit cooler when parked…


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Old Jul 27, 2025 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Now that it’s been “topped up” if I don’t charge it for a few days then throw it on the charger it only takes a couple hours to be topped up again, not a long time at all.
nice.
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
The lowrider life has done its thing and worn the inside fronts to the cords.

Even with the Cete raising to stock at 90 kph the front tires are done.

57,000 kms with half on snows = 23,500 kms, that’s only 15k miles.

Oof!

Rears still look ok.

I stopped lowering to try and stretch these to fall. That’s a lot of tire $$ just to look a bit cooler when parked…

this is commensurate with other peoples experiences without the cete module - just the unfortunate wheel geometry of the w213 amg (and 212)

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ber-bolts.html

consider these tires next (ps s5 mo1):

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...rt-s5-mo1.html

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Old Jul 28, 2025 | 04:12 AM
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You need to replace them now, not later. Given we are in the midst of very hot weather, you sure don’t want a blow out.
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Old Jul 28, 2025 | 09:27 AM
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You need to replace them now, not later. Given we are in the midst of very hot weather, you sure don’t want a blow out.
I know you are right.
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Old Jul 28, 2025 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
this is commensurate with other peoples experiences without the cete module - just the unfortunate wheel geometry of the w213 amg (and 212)

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ber-bolts.html

consider these tires next (ps s5 mo1):

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...rt-s5-mo1.html
Wow what a 1st thread there. I thought it was "my fault" but looks like many stock cars experience the same wear.
Dang

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The only fix is to modify the suspension to allow greater adjustment, either arms or offset bushings. BTW, adding offset just makes it worse, making mods even more important.
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Wow what a 1st thread there. I thought it was "my fault" but looks like many stock cars experience the same wear.
Dang

Thank you
my blow out experience is on that link too.

check your rear as well. At least check them once a month while the summer set is on.
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Truly scary stuff, safety first for sure.
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Old Jul 29, 2025 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
this is commensurate with other peoples experiences without the cete module - just the unfortunate wheel geometry of the w213 amg (and 212)

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ber-bolts.html

consider these tires next (ps s5 mo1):

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...rt-s5-mo1.html
Nice - looks like I found my new tires. I have 8k miles on stock set and the inside of the front wheels is definitely wearing unevenly. Thinking I'll get through the summer and these may need replaced next year
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Old Jul 29, 2025 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bobblehead
my blow out experience is on that link too.

check your rear as well. At least check them once a month while the summer set is on.
Been there done that 2x in the 212 but thought it was from KW lowering springs. I had hope the Cete raising to stock height at speed would help.

I guess these cars just eat tires.

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Winter
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Old Jul 29, 2025 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Been there done that 2x in the 212 but thought it was from KW lowering springs. I had hope the Cete raising to stock height at speed would help.

I guess these cars just eat tires.

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When that happened twice, did you destroy the wheel or were you lucky?
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When that happened twice, did you destroy the wheel or were you lucky?
Lucky

The winter one we were going 100kph in the left lane heavy traffic with the kids in the car full trunk on the way to the lake. The warning systems worked and I watched the pressure PSI bleed down from yellow to red as I scooted over slowing down as it approached zero. There was an offramp right there so I decided to sacrifice the rim and drive 1/4 mile to a Wendy's parking lot and safety. I went slow and rim was fine.

The summer one I was alone in the city diving slow and got to pull over right away and put the spare on.

I hate the 213 don't have a place for a spare. I have a euro spare tire, rim, bag, and tie down but leave it in the basement. Keeping it in the car makes the rear annoyingly unusable for how we live ife.

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Old Jul 31, 2025 | 07:36 PM
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Hit push to start button and everything works as Engineered. They only make 49 a day at same Japanese plant that made the Iconic Lexus LFA by seasoned Toyota Specialists akin to AMG Engine Builders. I recommend @I.T. Guy buy one for your Son so you can drive it to work!

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Since the car needs front tires I'm down a wheel and tire rabbit hole. So when I read @Drone_S213 post the only thing that jumped out at me was "49" because that's a good rear offset for rear rims! :P

What I've decided so far
1) Must keep using 30 or 35 series tires. 25 aspect ratio is out.
2) Maximum meat. I want to stuff the largest tires possible Front and Rear. I think that is 285 front and 315 rear. Has anyone done 295 front?
3) Do not want front spacers.
4) The new Pilot Sport S5 M01 while nifty is not available in non OEM sizes, so that's out.
5) Still be able to lower (so no 325 rear like one member has done)

What I haven't decided:
Upgrade to 21" or stay 20".

If I do new wheels they should be 21" or why bother. But will they be too large with the 30 aspect ratio tires?
Front 10" wide ET 10ish
and Rear 11" ET 50ish

This is where I get stuck
Tire sizes

From the wonderful After Market Wheel thread I see 285 and 315 will fit no issues in 20 or 21"
I *think* 20" looks a bit small and 21" looks perfect when using 305's in the rear. But I want 315.
I *think* 315 looks a bit chunky in the rear on 21's - a bit too tall for the wheel well, so do I go to 305?

What I don't know is what 315's on 20" wheels looks like on the E63.

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Math Check

And just to prove I'm crazy and all over the map I'm contemplating keeping the stock wheels and making them OEM++. I've used weldcraft wheels in the past on other projects so did some maths and believe adding 1" to the inside of a stock rear wheel and using a 15mm spacer will work perfectly, turning it into a 11" wheel. Voila, 315's. The front 9.5" wheel can take a 285 tire so there is that too. Unsure if front will need spacers to clear internal suspension stuff.

I have done the math but am not posting the answer to avoid confirmation bias. Anyone want to check this?

On a 254mm wide wheel the centerline is 127mm
The ET is +55 (55mm from the centerline towards the front/outside)
Add 25.4mm material to the rear/inside barrel, moving the rear back 25.4mm
Now you have a ~280mm wide wheel, with the centerline at 140mm
What is the new ET?

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PS I asked A.I. and it was "wrong" and I had to question it back 3 times until it got my answer.
We are doomed either way
1) I'm wrong but IA just gave into my pressure and caved or
2) I'm right and can never trust AI unless I argue with it

IT'S MATH how can a giant calculator be getting addition and subtraction wrong?!

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Here's my latest crazy idea for the front wheels.

A 10.5" ET22 wheel puts the outside of the wheel and tire at the exact same place all the "known" setups using 10" rims and ET10 are running at, which is the same as my stock wheel with 15mm spacer. So we know the outside will work.

The 10.5" ET22 wheel puts the inside of the wheel and 9cm inward from what the stock 9.5" ET25 setup is.

I guess I need to measure some stuff and see if the car can clear another 1cm inboard from stock.

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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
PS I asked A.I. and it was "wrong" and I had to question it back 3 times until it got my answer.
We are doomed either way
1) I'm wrong but IA just gave into my pressure and caved or
2) I'm right and can never trust AI unless I argue with it

IT'S MATH how can a giant calculator be getting addition and subtraction wrong?!

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Which AI did you ask? I will sometimes ask both ChatGPT and Gemini to see how they compare.
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I rolled around on my back around the front wheel with a 2 foot long 1" dowel
By feel laying the dowel across the the back of the 9.5" wheel all round and trying to wedge it into places. It seems like there is only one spot near the top of the wheel where the 1" dowel fits in then only has 1/8" wiggle room to/from sitting flush on the wheel/tire. So it appears perhpas a 10.5" front wheel is possible! I will still want to use a lift and proper straight edge and test steering from lock to lock, but this is very encouraging!

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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
I rolled around on my back around the front wheel with a 2 foot long 1" dowel
By feel laying the dowel across the the back of the 9.5" wheel all round and trying to wedge it into places. It seems like there is only one spot near the top of the wheel where the 1" dowel fits in then only has 1/8" wiggle room to/from sitting flush on the wheel/tire. So it appears perhpas a 10.5" front wheel is possible! I will still want to use a lift and proper straight edge and test steering from lock to lock, but this is very encouraging!
static vs dynamic tolerances - had success with a stationary setup only to have rub at speed with bumps and road contours ... hopefully it works out for you; I see in the other thread you've worked through all this geometry significantly

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