MB bluetec lawsuit in USA
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Like I mentioned before everyone is entitled to his own , opinion. When you see the facts it is obvious when everything got stared in 2016, you can see the Trump administration changing EPA and CARB staff and its directors , so it is more than obvious who is staling the process. And yes you are right in between the VW and Mercedes case when Obama Administrations was EPA and Carb were doing their job and things got done. In Daimler diesel case there is nothing left to do then Private Class action lawsuit if won than everyone will act after fact. Read the 477 pages of the lawsuit it will be very clear with lots of proves of cheating. https://www.hbsslaw.com/uploads/case...-complaint.pdf, no innocent company pays 1 Billion penalty in Germany just for giggles. It might not happen soon enough but give it 6 months from now when you read in the newspaper they got nailed. I hope there is buyback because everyone that I know would sell their diesel bluetec cars back asap to them , no one would keep any of the bluetec high maintenance cheating garbage that is poisoning environment and everyone in it.
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Hagens Berman, the attorney firm representing the US plaintiffs, sent out a notification that they are still in the discovery phase of the lawsuit. they said it takes about 1 year for this process before either going to court of settling. from what I'm told the class action still isn't certified - no official "class action" you can actually join.
*edit: I should have said "possible" US plaintiffs.
*edit: I should have said "possible" US plaintiffs.
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I would agree. It's no longer an emissions violation lawsuit anymore. It's now a marketing lawsuit of some sort. It's no different than what they tried to do with Al Capone, can't prove him for murders, racketeering etc.. but hey got him on tax evasion..... Pretty much all the other law firms, and lawyers have dropped out at this point. And it is just this one law firm that is still clinging on.
Here is the quote from Hagens Berman law firm:
The suit alleges that Mercedes’ and Bosch’s actions violated numerous state consumer-rights laws, as well as the Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization Act (RICO). The suit also states that the automaker’s omissions and misrepresentations constitute fraudulent concealment.
Here is the link to the above quote: https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/merced...edes-and-bosch
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mb usa has settled for 2.2B
Its not clear what consumer gets. If a read correctly 700M is reserved for civil and there are approx 250k cars involved. So approx $3000 each diesel owner?
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...esel-emissions
Its not clear what consumer gets. If a read correctly 700M is reserved for civil and there are approx 250k cars involved. So approx $3000 each diesel owner?
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...esel-emissions
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Wow...I heard about this but wasn't sure if I was eligible.Now that I know that it could be $3,000 I will investigate. Anyone know,off hand,if it applies to a 2011 E350 Bluetec bought new and owned for about 2.5 years?
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that's interesting, i wonder how ppl who have sold their cars will be handled. Hopefully someone on this forum have more info how to proceed
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I'm interested as well. I have 2 bluetec vehicles both bought used so am not sure if I could be qualified. It would be interesting to see how they handle it if the car has been transferred a couple times. Also how they handle those leased vehicles would be another tricky question as well.
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I had a VW dieselgate vehicle. Compensation for many claimants listed below. All are additive, not either/or.
- cash payment from VW
- cash payment from Bosch
- vehicle bought back from me by VW
- plus additional in-kind compensation that I don't recall (one free oil change, one free DEF fluid fillup, etc.)
The biggest benefit in my mind would be if M-B bought back Bluetec vehicles. I haven't seen in any articles where this will be the case.
- cash payment from VW
- cash payment from Bosch
- vehicle bought back from me by VW
- plus additional in-kind compensation that I don't recall (one free oil change, one free DEF fluid fillup, etc.)
The biggest benefit in my mind would be if M-B bought back Bluetec vehicles. I haven't seen in any articles where this will be the case.
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I had a VW dieselgate vehicle. Compensation for many claimants listed below. All are additive, not either/or.
- cash payment from VW
- cash payment from Bosch
- vehicle bought back from me by VW
- plus additional in-kind compensation that I don't recall (one free oil change, one free DEF fluid fillup, etc.)
The biggest benefit in my mind would be if M-B bought back Bluetec vehicles. I haven't seen in any articles where this will be the case.
- cash payment from VW
- cash payment from Bosch
- vehicle bought back from me by VW
- plus additional in-kind compensation that I don't recall (one free oil change, one free DEF fluid fillup, etc.)
The biggest benefit in my mind would be if M-B bought back Bluetec vehicles. I haven't seen in any articles where this will be the case.
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The extended emissions warranty would be a good thing but reprogramming might be the worst news we want to hear. It's likely going to trade off some performance if we go with the reprogramming.
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Claimants in the VW settlement had choices of compensation, one of which was a "fix", rather than a buyback. I chose buyback. Others chose the "fix". Some were owners were satisfied with the fix, some weren't.
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i cant see the government allowing non-reprogrammed cars to stay on the road. But you correct, retune + 2-3k(guessing) + NO warranty is actually worse given how fragile the emission system can be.
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VW set up a dedicated website for the settlement, and sent what seemed like dozens of letters. Bosch also contacted claimants directly.
The claimant was provided documentation on their options, claimants did not have to go searching for it.
It wouldn't surprise me if Bosch has financial participation of the Daimler settlement.
The claimant was provided documentation on their options, claimants did not have to go searching for it.
It wouldn't surprise me if Bosch has financial participation of the Daimler settlement.
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$ 3000 is about what DEF tank cost alone...
Still my 4 Bluetecs have between 130 and 260k miles. Don't expect much.
Still my 4 Bluetecs have between 130 and 260k miles. Don't expect much.
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Well, the 4 vehicles could bring me over $100,000 in buy back.
Dream on....
Dream on....
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It remains to be seen, but 3000 per car is nothing. They need to handle it like Audi did older cars buyback , (because warranty cost and new filters etc parts cost ) , but newer cars from 2012-2016 fix up and 15 gees per car. That would be ok.
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since $700M has been set aside and everything appears to be settled (awaiting full details in Sept), the math cannot support more than 3k and that's assuming the lawyers don't take most of it.
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Btw this is the best description of the entire saga.link below. Its from a law firm trying to convince you to opt-out of the class action but their description of the whole thing and options avail is awesome
Some highlights
- every affected vehicle ia automatically added to the class action. Unless you opt out, you will get "something"
- they claim that a reprogramming is going to be mandatory. Interesting, which means we'll we worse off if they only offering a few hundred bucks on top!
- i don't see how a buyback is possible with only 700M set aside. Perhaps they just offer the depreciation caused by the scandal which does come to low thousands dollars?
http://www.yourlegaljustice.com/merc...luetec-diesel/
Some highlights
- every affected vehicle ia automatically added to the class action. Unless you opt out, you will get "something"
- they claim that a reprogramming is going to be mandatory. Interesting, which means we'll we worse off if they only offering a few hundred bucks on top!
- i don't see how a buyback is possible with only 700M set aside. Perhaps they just offer the depreciation caused by the scandal which does come to low thousands dollars?
http://www.yourlegaljustice.com/merc...luetec-diesel/
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My guess is that the tune will simply increase the recirculation of air through EGR, which is the main method to reduce NOx emission. The SCR injection is probably not quite tunable.
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