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Feb 22, 2025 | 03:20 PM
  #701  
Quote: Now that MS! has identified exactly what wire this is, install a toggle switch or simply cut it inside back cover: done!

I'd leave the fragile connector pins alone. 🤞
Yeah, that's my "plan A" -- the problem is that the large ECU connector looks pretty complex to disassemble without braking a whole bunch of tabs. But, I'll give it a shot this weekend.
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Feb 22, 2025 | 03:23 PM
  #702  
Quote: Quad,

Ur engine is M157 correct ?
The LIN is at connector M, pin 71 if M157 and not pin 45

Thank you so much for providing this schematic!

Is there any indication what color the line is - as a form of confirmation once I'm in there?
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Feb 22, 2025 | 05:57 PM
  #703  
Ok - line on pin 71 cut in a semi-permanent way... that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be




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Feb 22, 2025 | 06:48 PM
  #704  
First drive was a success - but, as can be seen on the schematic, removing the ALT-LIN at the ECU also disables the oil level and temp sensor. This, in turn, will prevent me from being able to use launch control... and I can't tell when the oil is >= 176F in the AMG menu, which is important to know so the engine doesn't get pushed before it's ready... so, cutting at the ECU might not be the right move and I may reconnect it...
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Feb 22, 2025 | 07:28 PM
  #705  
Quote: First drive was a success - but, as can be seen on the schematic, removing the ALT-LIN at the ECU also disables the oil level and temp sensor. This, in turn, will prevent me from being able to use launch control... and I can't tell when the oil is >= 176F in the AMG menu, which is important to know so the engine doesn't get pushed before it's ready... so, cutting at the ECU might not be the right move and I may reconnect it...
What year is your car again? I have the AMG Menu modification from @BenzNinja which basically adds the menu to the IC for non-AMG cars. It shows oil, coolant, and transmission fluid temps.


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Feb 22, 2025 | 07:50 PM
  #706  
M157 uses shared LIN... PLAN "B"
> IF /THEN /ELSE:
-- If cutting ALT-LIN at ECU disables B40 LIN oil sensor...
-- then you have to find the splice location and cut down that branch....
-- else lower near ALT.

ALT-LIN branch cut out from OIL-LIN splice
G2 ALT-LIN C1 branch cut from B40 OIL-LIN C1 splice
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Feb 22, 2025 | 07:54 PM
  #707  
It's a 2014 E63. If you you look at the schematic, it makes sense why the oil sensors were affected when cutting the line at pin71.
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Feb 22, 2025 | 07:55 PM
  #708  
Quote: If cutting at ECU disables B40 LIN oil sensor... then you have to find the splice location and cut down that branch.... or lower near ALT
ALT-LIN branch cut out from OIL-LIN splice
G2 ALT-LIN C1 branch cut from B40 OIL-LIN C1 splice
Yeah, I'll have to figure out a way to get to the back of the alternator
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Feb 22, 2025 | 07:57 PM
  #709  
Quote: It's a 2014 E63. If you you look at the schematic, it makes sense why the oil sensors were affected when cutting the line at pin71.
yes, serial LIN stands out as a shared control line.

It reads yhe oil sensor and also instructs ALT all at the same time on the same single line.
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Feb 22, 2025 | 08:01 PM
  #710  
Quote: Yeah, I'll have to figure out a way to get to the back of the alternator
yep, that was my way of doing it on 276-NA

At least now you can be sure ALT-LIN is a proven MOD to help your M157 run right.

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Feb 22, 2025 | 08:38 PM
  #711  
This picture (from Starfinder) may help.


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Feb 22, 2025 | 08:58 PM
  #712  
@QuadTurboPrius what is your full model designation? 212.XXX? Or VIN.
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Feb 22, 2025 | 10:33 PM
  #713  
HARD TO REACH LOCATION
Quote: This picture (from Starfinder) may help.

Thanks JR!
this is the right way to locate that LIN splice where ALT branches out from oil sensor LIN.


The actual splice location may not be more practical with any better access than alternator rear connector
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Feb 22, 2025 | 10:41 PM
  #714  
ALT-LIN + REBOOT + FLOAT... 👍
Quote: Yeah, I'll have to figure out a way to get to the back of the alternator
QTP... in case you have missed JR! test report:
REBOOT + FLOAT steps are recognized effective in addition to ALT-LIN.


The ECU/TCU computers enjoy simple Rx. It helps get the wonky CAN networking better bandwidth out of CGW that ECU/TCU unfortunately depend on a lot.

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Feb 24, 2025 | 09:06 AM
  #715  
Oh boy I have lots of catching up to do.
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Feb 26, 2025 | 09:07 PM
  #716  
Quote: True, but maybe a LIN connected one can do earlier or lower RPM to operate, we do not know the actual cut-in speed of M2721.8 or OM651 alternator
Confirmed 1,000 rpm is the trigger to start charging for OM651. If I do a light blip under 1k rpm nothing happens.
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Feb 26, 2025 | 09:30 PM
  #717  
Quote: Confirmed 1,000 rpm is the trigger to start charging for OM651. If I do a light blip under 1k rpm nothing happens.
I must have missed it but what about ICE engines, at what RPMs does it start charging? For example, M272, M274, M276, M278 etc.?
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Feb 26, 2025 | 09:48 PM
  #718  
ALT REGULATION
Quote: I must have missed it but what about ICE engines, at what RPMs does it start charging? For example, M272, M274, M276, M278 etc.?
M276/8 Valeo fixed pulley ALT supplies 100% chassis power at 650Rpm idle.

That's about 80Amps under fixed well regulated voltage.


> LIMITS OVERLOAD at low Rpm:
Outside of stock load, voltage drops off unregulated as shown by MS! testing.

Exceeding load limits may happen under ECU control or self-regulation (ALT-LIN or ECU-LIN).

> STAY WITHIN SPECS:
You can not both overload the generator AND expect regulated power at 500.Rpm!
This creates a dangerous spikes factory.

So the long story short is don't add power angry accessories. They can overwhelm chassis generator near 100Amp

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Feb 26, 2025 | 11:15 PM
  #719  
Quote: Confirmed 1,000 rpm is the trigger to start charging for OM651. If I do a light blip under 1k rpm nothing happens.
Good and important info, thanks
If I may know your VIN, I want to check if this is because of a typical Valeo alternator, or because your alternator has AOP pulley. Overunning pulley.
AOP pulley is being discussed here : https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post9118647

The AOP pulley P/N for my friend's M271.8 is below : ....................NOTE : A646-xxx the older P/N , there was a diesel engine OM646




The alternator for M271.8 is below : 150 amps valeo



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Feb 27, 2025 | 09:00 AM
  #720  
Quote: M276/8 Valeo fixed pulley ALT supplies 100% chassis power at 650Rpm idle.

That's about 80Amps under fixed well regulated voltage.


> LIMITS OVERLOAD at low Rpm:
Outside of stock load, voltage drops off unregulated as shown by MS! testing.

Exceeding load limits may happen under ECU control or self-regulation (ALT-LIN or ECU-LIN).

> STAY WITHIN SPECS:
You can not both overload the generator AND expect regulated power at 500.Rpm!
This creates a dangerous spikes factory.

So the long story short is don't add power angry accessories. They can overwhelm chassis generator near 100Amp
Oh yay! This is true for both ALT-LIN unplugged and plugged in right?
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Feb 27, 2025 | 06:43 PM
  #721  
Quote: Oh yay! This is true for both ALT-LIN unplugged and plugged in right?
yes it is.
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Feb 27, 2025 | 06:59 PM
  #722  
Quote: yes it is.
Sounds good.
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Feb 27, 2025 | 08:47 PM
  #723  
Quote: @QuadTurboPrius what is your full model designation? 212.XXX? Or VIN.
I didn't see this until now - Thread is too busy

It's a w212.076
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Feb 27, 2025 | 09:15 PM
  #724  
Quote: Good and important info, thanks
If I may know your VIN, I want to check if this is because of a typical Valeo alternator, or because your alternator has AOP pulley. Overunning pulley.

VIN: WDDHFOEBOFB153234

Pulley is fixed/solid piece



From Valeo:




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Feb 28, 2025 | 08:30 AM
  #725  
New record?


No accessories are on
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