Improviz

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXgg4C51cg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP2dvWywZfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7kZSeF-pE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqodTn2L7Ao

juicee63

In all the videos usually the E gets the jump and the Vette comes back passes and pulls away buh bye.. There are a million possibilities, who knows. Jangy may talk alot but he participates and he will definately accept the outcome whatever it may be. Who has seen his car since the mods???

Perhaps this Z was making less than many and the driver weighed 350?

who knows , this is why video is importante.

I will film the runs on the 13th and unfortunately it will be on a 1/4 mile track , we will be able to determine the power Jangy has based on his trap speeds. It will be HOT but we will all be under the same terrible conditions so comparison will be possible.

juicee63

Your videos are great but add fuel to this debate.

Your CLK55 AMG W208 won every race vs. the more powerful M5?

The M5 has a better p/w ratio yet you were several cars in front.

Explain?

"The E39 M5 is capable of accelerating from 0-62 mph in 5.3 seconds and electronically limited to a top speed of 155 mph (249 km/h)[1], making it the fastest 4-door sedan in the world at the time it was manufactured. Once delimited, top speeds of a true 178mph are possible".

Dam the CLK 55 was the fastest BENZ at the time WOW!! So looks even, why such a big difference. An even match should be fender to fender with neither car capable of pulling away, I.E. CLS 63 Vs. CLS 63. Still 342 hp vs 392 similar weights, yet you win everytime

Thericker

Dude? How? Why? Did our freeway rolls turn into track time? WTF I'm NO track hound, (Only been as a spectator) what happened to this----??????And this-----?????????????????????????

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Oh yeah 1 of the guys over at Corvetteforum.com said this directred to you before there thread about this thread got closed by their moderators (they don't condone talk of street racingLame...)
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Why can't we meet on the street? Remember:

Improviz

Actually, the M5 doesn't have a better w/p ratio.....the E39 M5s weighed 4024 pounds with 394 horsepower = 10.21:1, W208 is 3444 pounds w/342 rated hp = 10.07:1. Actual horsepower, though, is thought to be 349 (same as the three other cars that had this motor, the E55, S55, and CL55), derated for marketing purposes, so it's "really" more like 9.87:1--but even w/rated, the M5's w/p is not better.

Here's a section of the 2001 CLK55 press release:
Weights aren't similar, it's nearly 600 pounds' difference. And yes, my full-sized spare is in the car

Also, I am running 275s on the back, not the junk 245s that come on the car, makes a big difference in hole shot/20 mph rolls, as you can see.

juicee63

CLK 55 AMG 2001 3566.1 lbs /342 hp=10.427 hp/lb
E92 M5 BMW 2002 4015 lbs/392 hp= 10.242 hp/lb
CLK 55 AMG 2001 3566.1/349 hp = 10.217 hp/lb

The BMW has an edge here yet you are several cars infront.

Your 275's gave you traction advantage, is this all? Have you weighed your car? Seems to me this race should have been even yet it was not close at all.

Using your higher hp figure the cars are still very evenly matched yet you put cars on him?

Guess those wide tires really gave you an advantage cause the cars are very similar in p/w no way to spin that
Ok wow there is 5 different published weights for the CLK, where did you get 3444?? MBUSA shows 3485, MT shows 3566, no wonder we argue. The outcome is what happened, you killed that M5, you see how modeling a race outcome on p/w ratio can be silly. 1. We need accurate, exact weights to make accurate precise prediction. I know within a few pounds what my car weighs . Hey do you use Crank HP or RWHP to calculate p/w ratio? That makes a huge difference

02cl55amg

i guess not. hurry up before the car gets some major go fast mods.

juicee63

Come on out to Fontana 06/13/08, couple hours drive and a full day of racing!!

You can take down Jangy and report back to his peers.

Improviz

Please, lay off with the playing dumb, I know where you're headed with this (you could put up a sign to make it a bit more obvious, you know)....

But first, where are you getting the numbers for weight? For the CLK55, where are you getting 3566? I linked to edmunds.com in my post, they give it as 3444, right in there w/what I got when I took it to the track, which was 346x w/a full tank. Also, where did you get the 4015 for the M5?

See the colored text? Those are called "hyperlinks". That's where I got the numbers. Anyway, the weight/hp numbers of the two cars are within a percent or two of each other, and thus the two are pretty evenly matched in that regard. Oh, and 208s run 290-305 on the dyno, so let's split the diff weight-wise and say 3500/295 = 11.86:1; M5s got around 330 rwhp, giving 4024/330 = 12.19....caveat: that's going from memory, but I believe they were in that vicinity. Anyway, again no matter how you slice it, they're close, very close, nothing like the difference between the cars being discussed in this thread.

Also, as I'm sure you're doubtlessly aware, and thus I'm not sure why you're beating around the bush and belaboring this point, there are reaction times and 60' times, right? Two of those were standing start, where as you know and have written, the 60' time is paramount, right?

"Oh", I can hear you respond (which is where you're obviously trying to steer this discussion), "then that explains jangy's result."

NO, it doesn't. I ended up in front in those races, but once I got out front I was not pulling away from him, *and* these were standing-start and low-speed rolling start runs where traction, reaction, 60' etc. are big factors, and I'm pretty good at getting that thing out of the hole. In a rolling-start run from 60 or 70 mph, I can promise you that I would NOT end up in front by such a margin, as the two vehicles are pretty evenly matched, as the weight/hp numbers indicate, and as I have experienced personally in performing such runs with those cars.

Further, I can assure you that if I'd given the M5 a one second jump (or a half-second jump), I would never, in a million years, be able to run him down as jangy described doing with the Z06. Never.

So I'm sorry, but the analogy you're obviously trying to spin isn't applicable, as these were low-speed and standing-start runs, not high-speed runs with me giving him a jump and then chasing him down, which is physically impossible.

From highway speeds, other than reaction time, none of these would be factors--*certainly* not 60'. Which is WHY I've been belaboring the point that as nice as it will be to see jangy's car go to a track and post some numbers, it WILL NOT replicate the runs he claims to have done. This is why I want you to get *those* sort of runs on vid!!!

Crystal? Hope so, 'cause I'm going to sleep!

JAYCL600

TQ needs to be considered in these theories, especially at these lower speed rolls

Havoc

+1 and especially if the heavier car has more torque cause it helps shrink the difference in weight

jangy

thanks bro. should be fun.

jangy

We can bro and we will. I'll drive to LA and we can go have our fun.

jangy

Just a little too much improvisation and not enough Improvement.

You can take the JUICE!!

jangy

So after all the "data" that you presented, are you now backtracking?

jangy

Improviz

I wasn't the only one presenting "data", and you damn well know it, although I did post plenty, including pesky little videos like this one, etc., which I busted you lying about here.

Backtracking from what? You said you pulled one from a roll, multiple times, *and* gave him the jump and chased him down. This is what I said, and still say, is total

So, if you can chase one down after giving him a spot, let's make it interesting, sweeten the pot: how much you wanna bet?

Wanna put some money on it? Because I'll bet we can round up some of those "slow" Z06s to run you like you said....ya know, giving the "slow" Z06 the spot and then running him down?

How much you wanna bet that if 1) you start out at the same time as a Z06 in a 70-150 pull, you'll be behind at the end, and 2) if you give him a spot & try to chase him down, you'll be ten cars or so back at the end?

Let me know, oh great smack-talker. Wasn't it you who talked all kinds of smack about how you'd wax the E63s and got beaten by all five of them?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JniP0Lcfb2Y At least when I say I can beat a car, I actually manage to do it when I show up.

Btw, why is it that you haven't contacted the guy you ran and had him show up here to corroborate your story? Why haven't you gotten w/him, done the runs again with your digital cam running, and posted them?

02cl55amg

ecu'd cl65 with 705rwtq vs. stock zo6
https://mbworld.org/forums/cl55-amg-cl65-amg-cl63-amg-c215-c216/245614-finally-evotech-cl65-vs-stock-c6-z06-race.html

after seeing this video(and several others similar) seems like i would just be wasting my time. are there any videos anywhere that show proof of any amg pulling on a c6 zo6?

juicee63

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6l0...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYenWHy9jHA

It would be a good drag race.. Not too many rolling videos. That CL 65 gets pulled but it is hundreds of lbs more than the E55. It will be fun man , bring yer vette maybe you will lose to a 63 , LOL....

JAYCL600

I think theres a vid of sleeperx staying with one one from a roll. I will look into making a video of one from a roll, and I will make sure he can drive.

Thericker

Or maybe the fact that you have a REGULAR C6!!!! & NO Z06!!!! would be the reason you'd be saying this ----Dude you are pathetic!!! I caught your pic's of your WIDEBODY C6, & asked you months ago "What the badging was on your C6 ?" You didn't have Z06 brakes, you quickly PM'd me a picture of your REGULAR C6 w/just a close-up of an LS2 badge/emblem, and you wrote they initially put on Z06 badging to cover the holes in the fenders.

And that you had since put the LS2 badging on, I guess since you NEVER changed the badging it automatically became a REAL Z06 LOL!!

Do you want to come clean now? or should I post up your Private Message to me on the LS2 badging? Damn it's losers like yourself that start threads like this! You've probably been rollin' your FAKE Z06 badged widebody w/REGULAR C6 brakes trying to race AMG's & Lambo's P-cars etc... & making an *** outt've yourself!!!

So I don't break the user agreements rules I'll just post the title of your PM to me!!



Screw it! here's your entire PM:
Funny? somehow you managed to block all your old posts?? Hmm everybody elses works, but yours are disabled.... FAKE Z06

jangy

Because the car is at HMS and even when it comes back, the dude doesn't want to do highway pulls.

Read through the thread, you OT pos"t"er. I asked for a race with money time and time again. You've offered to find a Z06 before and never came through.

Thericker

There everywhere bra, it would deff explain your race, being able to walk down a C6 Z06 after giving him the jump

juicee63

OMG, this is unbelievable. Guy is calling out Jangy in a fake Z? And wanting to run a 500 hp benz in a standard C6? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLO,

Thericker gets some Ownage of his own , so now we have a possible answer..


Fakezee o sixers unite. Makes AMG's job easy

Thericker

POWANAGE!! You just got the smack-down with the pimp-hand beehawtch!Why would you think I would forget our little conversation

Now go out to your garage and scrape off those fake badges NOW LIL' B-

For some reason only 32 of your 99 old posts are now available? so here's some more proof of your BS, & don't even try to say "you sold your re-badged tub & bought a REAL Z06" You obviously erased your other threads/posts, but here's 1 you missed....