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Mercedes E55 AMG
I bought the ksports from vividracing in Arizona. I haven't installed them yet but there's a pdf files I believe in this thread with all the additional parts. Serge keeps them in stock ready to ship.
I'm getting my ksports installed as soon as I get back from vacation....praying the airmatic holds up to get it all done.
I'm getting my ksports installed as soon as I get back from vacation....praying the airmatic holds up to get it all done.
Nice! And yes like Spinn said, please post some pics of what the kit includes, that would be really helpful... I want to order the Ksports, but they don't have them in stock, they're saying it will be 3-4 weeks for delivery... :/
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2004 E500
Thanks Spinn. I just called the D2 guys, they said all I'll need to swap them out is the rear lower control arms, and when I called the Ksport guys they said I won't need ANYTHING, they say the kit comes with everything I'll need for the install... Not sure if they know what they're talking about after looking through this thread...
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Mercedes E55 AMG
The rear lower control arm (center) is required for all steel spring setups; you can't reuse the airmatic air spring control arm. Check a few pages back...someone installed the D2 coilovers already and you're probably right that only the control arms are needed. You can ask Ksport if their front coilover has a top mount already built-in. Depending on the adjustability of the rear springs, you may want to buy some stock shims to provide additional clearance in the rear (if you're looking for a stock ride height)...don't know what the lowering range is for D2 or Ksport. Goto www.car-part.com to buy some used lower control arms...just make sure they're non-airmatic.
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'08 E63 Wagon
I will be able to answer this question precisely late next week when I pick up my car from the shop where it is currently getting it's coilovers installed and airmatic system completely removed.
Work in progress:
Work in progress:
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'03 E55 Estate
I would be grateful for your follow up on this as I have '03 E55 estate (wagon) and I am considering fitting coilovers. I have learned, however, that estates with self-levelling rear suspensions cannot be converted at the time.
Cheers
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'08 E63 Wagon
Do you have a self-levelling rear suspension in your wagon? If so, what sort of settings you need to change through STAR to avoid malfunction messages.
I would be grateful for your follow up on this as I have '03 E55 estate (wagon) and I am considering fitting coilovers. I have learned, however, that estates with self-levelling rear suspensions cannot be converted at the time.
Cheers
I would be grateful for your follow up on this as I have '03 E55 estate (wagon) and I am considering fitting coilovers. I have learned, however, that estates with self-levelling rear suspensions cannot be converted at the time.
Cheers
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Alot, not sure of the exact number. I had no problem carrying my Ksports to my car and putting them in the trunk. Serge put my stock system in the Ksport box(what would fit). It was MUCH MUCh MUCH heavier than my coilovers. Also 1 strut/airbag wouldn't fit in the box and had to be carried seperately. No way there is only a 12lb savings!!!!
Edit: Just looked at my Fedex Shipping invoice. I'm not sure how they do weight (round up/down). My Ksport shipping weight was 50.0 lbs (w/box)
I just individually weighed everything Serge gave me back. 80.8 lbs was the total. I'm under the conclusion that my Ksports did NOT weight 50lbs as the stock parts were much much much heavier.
Edit: Just looked at my Fedex Shipping invoice. I'm not sure how they do weight (round up/down). My Ksport shipping weight was 50.0 lbs (w/box)
I just individually weighed everything Serge gave me back. 80.8 lbs was the total. I'm under the conclusion that my Ksports did NOT weight 50lbs as the stock parts were much much much heavier.
Last edited by Htownbrother; Sep 7, 2012 at 09:40 PM. Reason: Calculations
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Alot, not sure of the exact number. I had no problem carrying my Ksports to my car and putting them in the trunk. Serge put my stock system in the Ksport box(what would fit). It was MUCH MUCh MUCH heavier than my coilovers. Also 1 strut/airbag wouldn't fit in the box and had to be carried seperately. No way there is only a 12lb savings!!!!
Edit: Just looked at my Fedex Shipping invoice. I'm not sure how they do weight (round up/down). My Ksport shipping weight was 50.0 lbs (w/box)
I just individually weighed everything Serge gave me back. 80.8 lbs was the total. I'm under the conclusion that my Ksports did NOT weight 50lbs as the stock parts were much much much heavier.
Edit: Just looked at my Fedex Shipping invoice. I'm not sure how they do weight (round up/down). My Ksport shipping weight was 50.0 lbs (w/box)
I just individually weighed everything Serge gave me back. 80.8 lbs was the total. I'm under the conclusion that my Ksports did NOT weight 50lbs as the stock parts were much much much heavier.
Are your Ksport's shock adjustable?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...on-review.html
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That's about how much my stock airmatic components weight. The KW V2 is a few pounds heavier but overall I saved about 33 lbs with the KW V2 kit.
Are your Ksport's shock adjustable?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...on-review.html
Are your Ksport's shock adjustable?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...on-review.html
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(flame suit on)
Ksport could make a 99 way adjustable coilover. It still doesn't fix that fact that it is and will always be a generic coilover that can be slapped onto any car which fits it.
The KW coilover was built for the W211. The valving was spec'ed out for the loads imposed upon it by the weight of the W211. I think it's reasonable to be worried about the longevity of those valves on the Ksport since the W211 is significantly heavier than the other cars this same shock can be installed on.
I hope that those with the Ksports can prove me wrong over the next several months/years that this is a non-issue. But ultimately, until then, why go with something that was never designed for the particular chassis in mind? Just so you can save a few bucks?
Ksport could make a 99 way adjustable coilover. It still doesn't fix that fact that it is and will always be a generic coilover that can be slapped onto any car which fits it.
The KW coilover was built for the W211. The valving was spec'ed out for the loads imposed upon it by the weight of the W211. I think it's reasonable to be worried about the longevity of those valves on the Ksport since the W211 is significantly heavier than the other cars this same shock can be installed on.
I hope that those with the Ksports can prove me wrong over the next several months/years that this is a non-issue. But ultimately, until then, why go with something that was never designed for the particular chassis in mind? Just so you can save a few bucks?
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(flame suit on)
Ksport could make a 99 way adjustable coilover. It still doesn't fix that fact that it is and will always be a generic coilover that can be slapped onto any car which fits it.
The KW coilover was built for the W211. The valving was spec'ed out for the loads imposed upon it by the weight of the W211. I think it's reasonable to be worried about the longevity of those valves on the Ksport since the W211 is significantly heavier than the other cars this same shock can be installed on.
I hope that those with the Ksports can prove me wrong over the next several months/years that this is a non-issue. But ultimately, until then, why go with something that was never designed for the particular chassis in mind? Just so you can save a few bucks?
Ksport could make a 99 way adjustable coilover. It still doesn't fix that fact that it is and will always be a generic coilover that can be slapped onto any car which fits it.
The KW coilover was built for the W211. The valving was spec'ed out for the loads imposed upon it by the weight of the W211. I think it's reasonable to be worried about the longevity of those valves on the Ksport since the W211 is significantly heavier than the other cars this same shock can be installed on.
I hope that those with the Ksports can prove me wrong over the next several months/years that this is a non-issue. But ultimately, until then, why go with something that was never designed for the particular chassis in mind? Just so you can save a few bucks?
Additionally Ksport's description on vividracing regarding valving:
"The valving of each set is matched to the springs installed for unmatched ride quality and reliability."
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'08 E63 Wagon
Some news:
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
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Some news:
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
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From: SF Bay Area
2004 E500
a local tech went through the same thing and got a custom Bilstein setup (PSS9?) for the wagon. Anyone interested contact Benny at Nissi Motors in San Francisco.
Some news:
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
So the Wagon has a different Spring/Shocks system in the back, basically the Wagon shock is shorter and the spring rate is higher (thanks to a higher rear weight bias). After a lot of back and forth with a number of vendors we were unable to source an existing shock that fits the back, so we have KW build us a custom variant 2 set specifically for the Wagon, this will take few weeks, will keep you guys updated.
