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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 02:11 PM
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Hello Guys!
Finally got a proper car after having a Hellcat (fatcat). Did have an M4 before though, but what a difference!
Beautiful 2016 AMG GT-S, white on white, carbon package inside/outside, Burmester hi-end + DPP. I am in love with the car, it does have only 13000 miles, clean history. Truly amazing machine.

Unfortunately after some VERY high speed driving I did puncture the front radiator with a rock and suffered the common problem. One of the coolant tanks emptied out, basically the one which provides coolant circulation for the intake radiators. The car does have extended warranty but unfortunately it is still in the process of transfer from previous owner. And also as far I understood, those sort of damage is rarely covered by warranty, especially the CPO one.

So is there a chance someone can share any ideas how to prevent this from happening again and share the instructions on radiator removal from the car? Since most likely I will be changing it myself, cause I usually work on my cars by my own.

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Sir, any chance you can help me with this?
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hookson
Hello Guys!
Finally got a proper car after having a Hellcat (fatcat). Did have an M4 before though, but what a difference!
Beautiful 2016 AMG GT-S, white on white, carbon package inside/outside, Burmester hi-end + DPP. I am in love with the car, it does have only 13000 miles, clean history. Truly amazing machine.

Unfortunately after some VERY high speed driving I did puncture the front radiator with a rock and suffered the common problem. One of the coolant tanks emptied out, basically the one which provides coolant circulation for the intake radiators. The car does have extended warranty but unfortunately it is still in the process of transfer from previous owner. And also as far I understood, those sort of damage is rarely covered by warranty, especially the CPO one.

So is there a chance someone can share any ideas how to prevent this from happening again and share the instructions on radiator removal from the car? Since most likely I will be changing it myself, cause I usually work on my cars by my own.


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that sucks, sorry you're dealing with that. I have mesh on the left/ride inlets to try to protect the intercoolers, but I don't have any behind the grill to protect the radiator, you may be able to do something like the side mesh.

There is a guide on this thread that can usually post shop diagrams from MB... https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...intenance.html
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 02:24 PM
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I don't have much to contribute but I think the total with labor for replacing the driver's side lower radiator was around $350 from my MB dealer. I was pleasantly surprised when my service advisor told me the total.
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 02:26 PM
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that's a very good price! Unfortunately the part itself of the front radiator is $400..
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 02:27 PM
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Now you're making me doubt myself. Maybe it was $450.

I saw something (when doing a search on here) about a TSB about radiator screens but couldn't figure out if that applied to the GTS model or only GTC.
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 05:35 PM
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This owner also had a heat exchanger get punctured, but I believe his dealership is fixing the radiator and installing the protective grills under warranty. Hopefully MB will provide you the same courtesy if you’re still within the warranty time frame?

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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 07:52 PM
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Unfortunately I am out of warranty. The dealer quoted me $2700. Ridiculous)) Will be changing it myself. And apparently there is no official protection part for 16-17 model...
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hookson
Unfortunately I am out of warranty. The dealer quoted me $2700. Ridiculous)) Will be changing it myself. And apparently there is no official protection part for 16-17 model...
This is in a inherent flaw On the part of MB on these cars, that has been acknowledged by retrofitting later cars. I would hire a lawyer.
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Old Apr 17, 2020 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hookson
Unfortunately I am out of warranty. The dealer quoted me $2700. Ridiculous)) Will be changing it myself. And apparently there is no official protection part for 16-17 model...

I made my own protection, for this exact reason.


https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...pic-heavy.html






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Old Apr 18, 2020 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hookson
Hello Guys!
Finally got a proper car after having a Hellcat (fatcat). Did have an M4 before though, but what a difference!
Beautiful 2016 AMG GT-S, white on white, carbon package inside/outside, Burmester hi-end + DPP. I am in love with the car, it does have only 13000 miles, clean history. Truly amazing machine.

Unfortunately after some VERY high speed driving I did puncture the front radiator with a rock and suffered the common problem. One of the coolant tanks emptied out, basically the one which provides coolant circulation for the intake radiators. The car does have extended warranty but unfortunately it is still in the process of transfer from previous owner. And also as far I understood, those sort of damage is rarely covered by warranty, especially the CPO one.

So is there a chance someone can share any ideas how to prevent this from happening again and share the instructions on radiator removal from the car? Since most likely I will be changing it myself, cause I usually work on my cars by my own.


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Every time when I go over 170mph even for a few seconds, I can find some rock chip damages on my front bumper. It’s not cool if the radiator blows up but got admit anything could happen at a high speed.
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Old Apr 18, 2020 | 06:45 AM
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This is in a inherent flaw On the part of MB on these cars, that has been acknowledged by retrofitting later cars. I would hire a lawyer.
You wouldn’t happen to know one would you?

Hopefully you are safe from “The Corona” and doing well.

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Old Apr 18, 2020 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hookson
Unfortunately I am out of warranty. The dealer quoted me $2700. Ridiculous)) Will be changing it myself. And apparently there is no official protection part for 16-17 model...
I have a 2016 GTS. I had both my intercooler radiators and oil cooler radiator retrofitted with the protection meshes. Moreover, I called MB in Atlanta and they covered the $550 retrofit under my existing extended warranty based on the fact that new cars come with it and they know it is a vulnerability.

I can give you the MB parts numbers, they P/N are different for the later models, but they do exist for the 2016 model. I found them in the MB part system I have a copy of.
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 01:55 AM
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I have a 2016 GTS. I had both my intercooler radiators and oil cooler radiator retrofitted with the protection meshes. Moreover, I called MB in Atlanta and they covered the $550 retrofit under my existing extended warranty based on the fact that new cars come with it and they know it is a vulnerability.

I can give you the MB parts numbers, they P/N are different for the later models, but they do exist for the 2016 model. I found them in the MB part system I have a copy of.
will much appreciate! Will definitely order those to protect my baby.
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 01:56 AM
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Every time when I go over 170mph even for a few seconds, I can find some rock chip damages on my front bumper. It’s not cool if the radiator blows up but got admit anything could happen at a high speed.
will be doing the clear bra soon.. can't have those chips...
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Orcbolg
I made my own protection, for this exact reason.


https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...pic-heavy.html




wow this looks good. I did also order the mesh and will be installing it soon. Is it hard to remove the bumper?
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 06:58 AM
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wow this looks good. I did also order the mesh and will be installing it soon. Is it hard to remove the bumper?
No, it was pretty straight forward. Taking the front wheels off will make it a lot easier though.


I used Alex's thread for reference:
https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...nt-bumper.html

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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 08:16 AM
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I have a 2016 GTS. I had both my intercooler radiators and oil cooler radiator retrofitted with the protection meshes. Moreover, I called MB in Atlanta and they covered the $550 retrofit under my existing extended warranty based on the fact that new cars come with it and they know it is a vulnerability.

I can give you the MB parts numbers, they P/N are different for the later models, but they do exist for the 2016 model. I found them in the MB part system I have a copy of.
MB Atlanta corporate or a specific dealer?

Could you post part numbers? Ty.
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 10:52 AM
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This will not be covered by warranty. A similar thing happened to my C63 507 and the car was still under the original factory new car warranty. Was not covered.

You should install the new mesh covers that started shipping as standard on the 2018 or 2019MY GTs. You can try to get it done under warranty because all cars now have the mesh... but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

DIY-Ing this would be tough, at least not without the shop manual.
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Old Apr 19, 2020 | 11:32 AM
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DIY-Ing this would be tough, at least not without the shop manual.
It's not, took me less than two hours.
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Ok so little update.
It did appear, that the expansion tank did not drain completely -> once the vehicle cooled down, I was able to see coolant just on the bottom of the tank. I was really happy about it and thought that the leak then is very minor, so, I added 200ml of coolant and took it for a evening spin.
I was little hard on the car since I did miss it so much. I didn't notice that the transmission temperature started to rise above 190 Fahrenheit, which was previously a normal operating temperature of it. After 15 minutes of hard driving a Transmission Cooling Malfunction appeared.. However the warning disappeared immediately, and I slowly drove home in Comfort. The temperature when the error popped up was 215F. Car operated normally. No lights or messages on the dash. Transmission went down to 195F.

I immediately started digging the forums about such error.
I know that C63 had different gearbox, but the cooling system is basically the same.
here is what I found. in short, WHEN YOU DAMAGE YOUR FRONT RADIATOR, TRANSMISSION WILL START OVERHEAT.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...nsmission.html

Also, I started to worry that pumps could gone bad too..

On day after this I took it to my friends shop and we scanned the car for errors.
They are very experienced guys who work with flooded premium cars.
Surprisingly, the car did have all the corresponding errors stored:
charged air temperature
transmission temperature
water pump low pressure

they did tell me that the chance that the pumps are bad is very low, and they constantly face this issue on all German cars even after they just remove coolant from the car during repair. They told me that a small hit usually fix them (literally, since they are electromagnetic). And it is also not about the amount of coolant in the system but about the pressure in it.

So, most likely I will be performing the job on my own at their shop this week. They should have all the manuals and experienced tech to help. Hope everything will be ok.
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Ok so little update.
It did appear, that the expansion tank did not drain completely -> once the vehicle cooled down, I was able to see coolant just on the bottom of the tank. I was really happy about it and thought that the leak then is very minor, so, I added 200ml of coolant and took it for a evening spin.
I was little hard on the car since I did miss it so much. I didn't notice that the transmission temperature started to rise above 190 Fahrenheit, which was previously a normal operating temperature of it. After 15 minutes of hard driving a Transmission Cooling Malfunction appeared.. However the warning disappeared immediately, and I slowly drove home in Comfort. The temperature when the error popped up was 215F. Car operated normally. No lights or messages on the dash. Transmission went down to 195F.

I immediately started digging the forums about such error.
I know that C63 had different gearbox, but the cooling system is basically the same.
here is what I found. in short, WHEN YOU DAMAGE YOUR FRONT RADIATOR, TRANSMISSION WILL START OVERHEAT.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...nsmission.html

Also, I started to worry that pumps could gone bad too..

On day after this I took it to my friends shop and we scanned the car for errors.
They are very experienced guys who work with flooded premium cars.
Surprisingly, the car did have all the corresponding errors stored:
charged air temperature
transmission temperature
water pump low pressure

they did tell me that the chance that the pumps are bad is very low, and they constantly face this issue on all German cars even after they just remove coolant from the car during repair. They told me that a small hit usually fix them (literally, since they are electromagnetic). And it is also not about the amount of coolant in the system but about the pressure in it.

So, most likely I will be performing the job on my own at their shop this week. They should have all the manuals and experienced tech to help. Hope everything will be ok.
Air is system?
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Can somebody please post the part numbers for the factory covers on the 17 and 18 GT‘s??!
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Where are the part numbers **** ers. .??.
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 09:19 PM
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Where are the part numbers **** ers. .??.
I will verify fitment tomorrow and then share it
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