Buyers guide for used w213? +PPI recommendations in Miami
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Buyers guide for used w213? +PPI recommendations in Miami
Hey everyone,
I'm looking at buying a 2018 e63s wagon in Miami. It has an accident on record so it absolutely has to have a thorough PPI. It's deeply discounted so I'm okay with the history if it passes a qualified check. I'm calling in the morning but I doubt the dealer will have availability in for one soon. I've always preferred an Indy shop for a PPI anyway.
The w212 has multiple "ultimate guide" threads stickied, and pretty plentiful information on what to check for when buying used. Does the w213 have those?
What do I need to watch out for when buying a w213?
Does anyone have a shop recommendation for a PPI in Miami?
I'm looking at buying a 2018 e63s wagon in Miami. It has an accident on record so it absolutely has to have a thorough PPI. It's deeply discounted so I'm okay with the history if it passes a qualified check. I'm calling in the morning but I doubt the dealer will have availability in for one soon. I've always preferred an Indy shop for a PPI anyway.
The w212 has multiple "ultimate guide" threads stickied, and pretty plentiful information on what to check for when buying used. Does the w213 have those?
What do I need to watch out for when buying a w213?
Does anyone have a shop recommendation for a PPI in Miami?
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I'll add another "common" issue is once in a while power will drop drastically from the Exhaust Flaps sticking closed needing replacement/repair.
That's about it that I can think of "major" issues on this platform.
That's about it that I can think of "major" issues on this platform.
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https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-look-out.html
1. RMS and oil separators
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-rms-leak.html
2. 2018's had issues with injectors/CEL - some of these were lemoned
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...e63-wagon.html
3. exhaust flap fail causing low boost
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...lap-codes.html
4. trans overheating (rare)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...nning-hot.html
5. Bad coils/plugs by 30-50k miles (coils are hard to find or pay premium)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...gh-idle-2.html
6. Inner tire wear common due to stance and geometry of suspension
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...tire-wear.html
7. Bad main battery can caused lots of random gremlins - make sure battery is healthy
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...y-problem.html
8. paint peeling or clear coat peeling on calipers
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...t-peeling.html
9. loud clicking left bay of engine - bad purge valve
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ing-noise.html
10. vibration while at idle or brake applied in drive at a standstill (axle issues)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...vibration.html
11. loud brakes ... squealing - usually due to not driving enough or hard enough braking
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ky-brakes.html
12. Was the car tuned - do you care? Maybe you should
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-19-e63-s.html
13. Some cars had poor fitment of exterior trim pieces
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...door-trim.html
14. Brakes/parts and install from dealer expensive but much cheaper and reasonable aftermarket and with indy or personal garage install
15. Know about the spare tire and tools not included
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...revisited.html
16. know about CarPlay wireless limitations and screen size limitations
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...s-e-class.html
17. know the difference between sport and active seats - read up
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...nce-seats.html
18. Radiator damage from road debris
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...or-damage.html
1. RMS and oil separators
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-rms-leak.html
2. 2018's had issues with injectors/CEL - some of these were lemoned
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...e63-wagon.html
3. exhaust flap fail causing low boost
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...lap-codes.html
4. trans overheating (rare)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...nning-hot.html
5. Bad coils/plugs by 30-50k miles (coils are hard to find or pay premium)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...gh-idle-2.html
6. Inner tire wear common due to stance and geometry of suspension
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...tire-wear.html
7. Bad main battery can caused lots of random gremlins - make sure battery is healthy
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...y-problem.html
8. paint peeling or clear coat peeling on calipers
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...t-peeling.html
9. loud clicking left bay of engine - bad purge valve
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ing-noise.html
10. vibration while at idle or brake applied in drive at a standstill (axle issues)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...vibration.html
11. loud brakes ... squealing - usually due to not driving enough or hard enough braking
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ky-brakes.html
12. Was the car tuned - do you care? Maybe you should
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-19-e63-s.html
13. Some cars had poor fitment of exterior trim pieces
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...door-trim.html
14. Brakes/parts and install from dealer expensive but much cheaper and reasonable aftermarket and with indy or personal garage install
15. Know about the spare tire and tools not included
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...revisited.html
16. know about CarPlay wireless limitations and screen size limitations
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...s-e-class.html
17. know the difference between sport and active seats - read up
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...nce-seats.html
18. Radiator damage from road debris
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...or-damage.html
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@PeterUbers Thank you! Incredible list. Was that from your back pocket or from another thread? Seems worthy of a sticky for this sub.
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TUNING THE W213 AMG
Great comprehensive write up on full tune:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-ecu-tune.html
Another tuning discussion:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ftware-co.html
Further discussions, handhelds, etc
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...wmods-mwm.html
Do I need a cpc with ecu tune (and why)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-cpc-tune.html
Full ptg tune with dragy and lots of info (ecu/cpc/tcu)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...y-results.html
World record holding tuned e63?
http://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/8...hp-940wtq.html
Documenting the journey of a 2023 S213 amg
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-wagon-17.html
Logging the w213 amg
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ing-tools.html
Great comprehensive write up on full tune:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-ecu-tune.html
Another tuning discussion:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ftware-co.html
Further discussions, handhelds, etc
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...wmods-mwm.html
Do I need a cpc with ecu tune (and why)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-cpc-tune.html
Full ptg tune with dragy and lots of info (ecu/cpc/tcu)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...y-results.html
World record holding tuned e63?
http://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/8...hp-940wtq.html
Documenting the journey of a 2023 S213 amg
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-wagon-17.html
Logging the w213 amg
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ing-tools.html
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Fantastic write up! I can attest to a few issues here. Another item a dealer told me was potential problems with the panoramic sunroof, if its not used has been known to dry out and cause issues. Hasn't been the case with me
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An issue I discovered was counterfeit, black, cross-spoke wheels. They were such good fakes, they got a compliment from a top dealership tech. Replaced with OEM wheels (ouch) and hubs (ouch ouch)... and TPMS (sigh). I bought my car from an out-of-state Porsche dealer so I have no recourse. In any event, I do not believe they knew, but clearly one of their favorite customers likely did a swap for some reason and then traded in what was otherwise a very cherry car.
In the sales contract, make the prior owner stipulate they have declared in writing all non-OEM parts known to be on at the car, either from the current or any prior owner. At least you'll have a contract term you can point to if recourse is needed.
In the sales contract, make the prior owner stipulate they have declared in writing all non-OEM parts known to be on at the car, either from the current or any prior owner. At least you'll have a contract term you can point to if recourse is needed.
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An issue I discovered was counterfeit, black, cross-spoke wheels. They were such good fakes, they got a compliment from a top dealership tech. Replaced with OEM wheels (ouch) and hubs (ouch ouch)... and TPMS (sigh). I bought my car from an out-of-state Porsche dealer so I have no recourse. In any event, I do not believe they knew, but clearly one of their favorite customers likely did a swap for some reason and then traded in what was otherwise a very cherry car.
In the sales contract, make the prior owner stipulate they have declared in writing all non-OEM parts known to be on at the car, either from the current or any prior owner. At least you'll have a contract term you can point to if recourse is needed.
In the sales contract, make the prior owner stipulate they have declared in writing all non-OEM parts known to be on at the car, either from the current or any prior owner. At least you'll have a contract term you can point to if recourse is needed.
not a bad way to make some quick cash for the guy trading in the car to an otherwise non observant dealer - swap out OEM rims which are rather valuable for fakes and "see ya". - put up the OEM on eBay or local forum and collect decent cashish
as I see it - you're trading in what you're trading in, I've never had to declare if parts were OEM or not, the buying dealer just gave me a trade in value and we did the deal.
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W212 E63S Wagon - GSL580 - E63 - E350 - C300
Also being in FL....be VERY VERY careful of flood cars that will claim an accident.....I seriously would take out door panels (yes, you need a drill) to be 100%.
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EXCESSIVE REVVING ON STARTUP
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...mp-issues.html
E63 BATTERY TYPE
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-charging.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...mp-issues.html
E63 BATTERY TYPE
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-charging.html
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LOWERING/RENNTECH HANDHELD
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ld-module.html
WIRELESS CARPLAY
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...s-carplay.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ld-module.html
WIRELESS CARPLAY
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...s-carplay.html
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TRICKLE CHARGING THE E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-charging.html
AFTERMARKET RIMS DISCUSSION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...et-wheels.html
SHOULD I BUY A MODDED E63?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-19-e63-s.html
CODING OUT STOP/START ECO
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...top-start.html
WINTER TIRE DISCUSSIONS
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...etup-help.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ire-setup.html
ALL SEASON TIRES ON E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ll-season.html
BLOW OFF VALVES
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ff-valves.html
IDLE VIBRATION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...vibration.html
DAILY DRIVING THE E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...iving-e63.html
TIRE WHEEL INNER WEAR
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ber-bolts.html
WHEEL HOP - DRIVING SUMMER TIRES IN COLD
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...r-startup.html
POPPING/CLUNKING IN REAR - LOOSE SWAY
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...yone-else.html
MAIN BATTERY REPLACEMENT
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...placement.html
CCB ROTOR CHUNKS MISSING
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ke-rotors.html
DISCUSSION ON CCB in USED CAR
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...e63-wagon.html
SERVICING CCB DISCUSSION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...servicing.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-charging.html
AFTERMARKET RIMS DISCUSSION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...et-wheels.html
SHOULD I BUY A MODDED E63?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...-19-e63-s.html
CODING OUT STOP/START ECO
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...top-start.html
WINTER TIRE DISCUSSIONS
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...etup-help.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ire-setup.html
ALL SEASON TIRES ON E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ll-season.html
BLOW OFF VALVES
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ff-valves.html
IDLE VIBRATION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...vibration.html
DAILY DRIVING THE E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...iving-e63.html
TIRE WHEEL INNER WEAR
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ber-bolts.html
WHEEL HOP - DRIVING SUMMER TIRES IN COLD
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...r-startup.html
POPPING/CLUNKING IN REAR - LOOSE SWAY
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...yone-else.html
MAIN BATTERY REPLACEMENT
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...placement.html
CCB ROTOR CHUNKS MISSING
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ke-rotors.html
DISCUSSION ON CCB in USED CAR
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...e63-wagon.html
SERVICING CCB DISCUSSION
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...servicing.html
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E53 RELATED INQUIRIES INTO BUYING USED
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...g-e53-amg.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...g-e53-amg.html
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Ended up backing out. Sanfer Sports Cars is not trustworthy. Classic slimy sales tactics. I'd ask about the car and Delio would say "Oh it's perfect." Then I'd ask about something like "Well it's supposed to have CCBs but in the pics those look like steel?" He'd respond "oh well yeah it is missing it's CCBs". That conversation times 4-5x different issues. I had to confront him with proof of an issue, then he would tell me about it.
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Ended up backing out. Sanfer Sports Cars is not trustworthy. Classic slimy sales tactics. I'd ask about the car and Delio would say "Oh it's perfect." Then I'd ask about something like "Well it's supposed to have CCBs but in the pics those look like steel?" He'd respond "oh well yeah it is missing it's CCBs". That conversation times 4-5x different issues. I had to confront him with proof of an issue, then he would tell me about it.
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I'm considering a 2019 with 120k miles. 1 owner, dealer maintained, clean title. Don't know too much about it yet. I asked the dealer to see if the service booklet was still there. Thoughts on this car/drivetrain at high milage?
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HOW MANY MILES ON YOUR E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...13-e63s-2.html
HIGHEST MILES ON E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...leage-e63.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...13-e63s-2.html
HIGHEST MILES ON E63
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...leage-e63.html
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also go to the ultimate guide thread in w212 and I got a couple threads at the top about high miles on a w212 - it all applies for the most part. The big question is that RMS and if that'll go out and brakes/rotors, turbo/cooling lines, etc. as always a well maintained car will go a much longer way with high miles than a less maintained one with lower miles
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